Democratic Primaries

StevieM

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119. I don't see how you can remember the two elections and conclude that Bernie was more supportive

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 12:33 PM

Mar 2020

of HRC than Clinton was for Obama.

Hillary worked tirelessly to deliver the message that Obama was the guy we needed and that the opportunity to elect him was an exciting prospect for our country.

Bernie mainly talked about the importance of beating Trump. He cultivated a narrative that she was only trying to appear progressive because he had somehow forced him to.

And this is not just about how Democrats or liberals voted. It is about how he affected her among swing-voters. Hillary had high poll numbers not too long before that election. The fake email scandal ended that. Bernie's portrayal of her fed into that story. He joined the GOP in portraying her in a negative light, in a deeply personal way. That helped them sell the fake email scandal and prevented her from rebounding, something she has been very good at over the years.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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It appears that sanders will stay in primary until April 28 NY primary [View all] Gothmog Mar 2020 OP

. . . or keep on messing up until Nov. 1 empedocles Mar 2020 #1

Pathetic. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #2

It would be awesome is NYers wrote in Governor Cuomo jimfields33 Mar 2020 #25

Yes, all Bernie supporters should write-in Cuomo - great idea!! NCProgressive Mar 2020 #28

I think all Sanders supporters should do that. Of course, many haven't bothered to Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #34

It won't be sanders supporters doing this jimfields33 Mar 2020 #40

I hope all Sanders' supporters do this...Sanders has no chance anyway. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #70

... mcar Mar 2020 #102

Right, they'll be home playing Fortnite Clash City Rocker Mar 2020 #131

Right, you are only floating that stupid idea Hav Mar 2020 #83

I doubt that will happen jimfields33 Mar 2020 #38

They might as well Sanders has no chance either way...he is done. I expect New Yorkers who are Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #44

No, it would be awesome if fucking Sanders gets out...Joe is our nominee, accept it. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #31

Wow. When did joe get to 1991. I missed it. jimfields33 Mar 2020 #39

Bernie math...there is no way Sanders can catch Joe...the primary is over and the longer the hangs Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #53

I will demand Bernie get out when joe gets 1991 I promise. jimfields33 Mar 2020 #56

If we wait that long given all the primaries have been cancelled thus far Sanders will reelect Trump Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #71

Fair enough. You ar 99% there. beastie boy Mar 2020 #77

Did you also miss he can't catch Biden? Democrats don't want Bernie, it's over. dem4decades Mar 2020 #64

If bernie stays in it is putting lives at risk needlessly getagrip_already Mar 2020 #149

Well, it's nice that you Sanders people are appreciating Cuomo now... W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #72

In order divert divert votes from Biden??? It that the plan?Are those you marching orders. Dream Girl Mar 2020 #105

I'm starting Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #3

I agree with you. This isn't 16. Most reasonable Sanders supporters know it is over and will vote Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #55

My biggest nightmare is he is going to do to Joe what he did to Hillary.. Peacetrain Mar 2020 #4

You mean support him fully and do more rallies for Joe than Hillary did for Obama in 2008? DanTex Mar 2020 #19

Please, he was late and reluctant in supporting Hillary... brush Mar 2020 #30

Wrong. Facts get in the way of yet another Bernie-bashing narrative. DanTex Mar 2020 #37

SMDH, pls stop. This is now, not '08 or '16. How pathetic. brush Mar 2020 #57

How is he causing damage? He's not at all. It's a primary campaign. DanTex Mar 2020 #75

I heard sanders speak twice at the Nationacl convention Gothmog Mar 2020 #63

Exactly. A lot fo gas lighting going on here. We know what we saw and it was not support. LizBeth Mar 2020 #96

SMH Cha Mar 2020 #165

You are basing that declaration on one standard: how many public rallies did each attend. StevieM Mar 2020 #88

Or the fact it was HRC. Many things are 180'ed about her. LizBeth Mar 2020 #97

Also the outcome, which is more Bernie primary voters went for HRC than HRC primary voters for Obama DanTex Mar 2020 #109

I don't see how you can remember the two elections and conclude that Bernie was more supportive StevieM Mar 2020 #119

+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #159

+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #160

Whataboutism NCProgressive Mar 2020 #126

That is not true. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #133

Bernie BGBD Mar 2020 #172

Someone is trying to gaslight us Hekate Mar 2020 #174

I think that's the last we'll hear about that... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #175

And give a wink and a nod to his campaign team to promote Jill Stein? NCProgressive Mar 2020 #33

LOL. "wink and nod". That's pure fabrication. DanTex Mar 2020 #46

I was at the convention and I heard sanders speeches Gothmog Mar 2020 #65

So why were Jill Stein Voters Nina Turner and Briahna Gray among his first hires, followed.... George II Mar 2020 #111

It's no 'fabrication' that he hired Stein supporters for his senior staff... ehrnst Mar 2020 #113

Furthermore, the word on the street was to defeat Hillary so Bernie could get a second shot NCProgressive Mar 2020 #127

DanTex, you can't induce amnesia in others by repetition of alternative facts. At least not at DU. Hekate Mar 2020 #178

He is an opportunist with no chance other than being a spoiler just like the last election. olegramps Mar 2020 #49

You mean the events where sanders sold his new book and talked about himself? Gothmog Mar 2020 #60

And became a millionaire. nt sheshe2 Mar 2020 #156

Bernie made a deal, Dan. And you know it. beastie boy Mar 2020 #61

Exactly NCProgressive Mar 2020 #129

That is a campaign talking point and is untrue...and he didn't do shit until the fall of 16. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #62

sanders was busy writing a new book that he was selling at the events Gothmog Mar 2020 #67

I know Goth...you have get your priorities straight...lets milk the election for every dollar and Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #76

Hillary Clinton was by Obama's side when Obama kicked off his formal campaign.... George II Mar 2020 #79

LOL. Really desperate to ignore the facts and bash Bernie. DanTex Mar 2020 #84

If that's the case I'm sure you could give us the numbers, right? George II Mar 2020 #92

I blame Bernie for the fact that he treated her like she was Joe Liberman. StevieM Mar 2020 #94

If that claim about 08 is true then McCain beat Obama n 2008. blm Mar 2020 #100

Projection... ehrnst Mar 2020 #118

In none of his rallies did he ask to vote for Clinton NCProgressive Mar 2020 #130

Nah.. it's not "clear" at all. Cha Mar 2020 #154

The math from both elections... Jamaal510 Mar 2020 #171

It is incredible that this story about Hillary in 2008 is actually being told. StevieM Mar 2020 #95

Yes, she wholeheartedly supported Obama even before the convention ended, and.... George II Mar 2020 #101

Are you kidding?/ Gothmog Mar 2020 #82

Those are the facts! I know it's inconvenient to Bernie-haters, but it's the truth. DanTex Mar 2020 #85

Says the fan of the anti-Democratic narratives promulgated by Jacobin. ehrnst Mar 2020 #120

LOL at all the outrage. He's probably not going to win, why are you so upset? ehrnst Mar 2020 #123

Omg.. you are so wrong. Cha Mar 2020 #153

You are wrong as to the number of sanders supporters who did not support Hillary Clinton Gothmog Mar 2020 #170

The Technical Term For That Statement, Sir, Is Bullshit The Magistrate Mar 2020 #104

Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #115

Again, Sir, You Are Simply Repeating Bullshit The Magistrate Mar 2020 #121

Not any more, apparently. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #155

... betsuni Mar 2020 #161

.. Cha Mar 2020 #164

And he should have announced his support for her days, not months, after being disqualified. joshcryer Mar 2020 #158

Rofl! Cha Mar 2020 #166

Now that's calling something by its right name. Thank you, Sir. nt Hekate Mar 2020 #179

Thank You, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #180

Like the ones where he started off by reciting the number of pledged delegates he got? ehrnst Mar 2020 #112

LOL... "fully" Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #132

Yeah, that was pretty bad. Always passive aggressive. Couldn't even "fake it" for just a few weeks. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #134

sanders was really bad at this-here is how a real Democrat handles this situation Gothmog Apr 2020 #184

He loves moving the bar. nt William769 Mar 2020 #5

What is with this guy. ucrdem Mar 2020 #6

Just like '16 Docreed2003 Mar 2020 #7

This is About the Benjamins - You Can't Continue to Raise Money if You're Not Running Indykatie Mar 2020 #8

Nobody cares, Bernie HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #9

There are 8 primaries currently scheduled between now and April 28 frazzled Mar 2020 #10

Bernie, nothing personal, but we don't NEED you to be President... world wide wally Mar 2020 #11

And if NY postpones it? bluestarone Mar 2020 #12

They will. ucrdem Mar 2020 #13

I would like to see NY cancel NOW! bluestarone Mar 2020 #15

Cuomo has said he's working on it. ucrdem Mar 2020 #17

That'd be pretty awesome. jimfields33 Mar 2020 #29

No - the delegates will be subtracted from the numerator AND the denominator NCProgressive Mar 2020 #41

Which would put Biden even closer to the nomination. George II Mar 2020 #80

SO your all for Bernie NO MATTER the cost? bluestarone Mar 2020 #45

The delegates in the primaries that won't happen will be subtracted from the total needed so Sanders Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #68

Yes - if all the remaining primaries are canceled, Biden has already won. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #125

So we should continue a primary that Sanders can't win where people could die as a result? Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #69

Of course. The reason many are giving for Sanders not being in Washington on Sunday to vote.... George II Mar 2020 #90

Or, even if they don't...sanders tanks then "I'm going to reassess" and waits to the next primary Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #14

YEP! bluestarone Mar 2020 #16

The Bernie Sanders "Praying For A Miracle" campaign. Sloumeau Mar 2020 #18

Like the religious right praying for a miracle cure to Covid. Right... n/t CincyDem Mar 2020 #24

Awesome! And LOL at all the outrage. He's probably not going to win, what's everyone so upset about? DanTex Mar 2020 #20

He's probably not going to make it to April, either. ucrdem Mar 2020 #22

Awesome? If "he's probably not going to win", what's the point? He certainly doesn't have.... George II Mar 2020 #47

Yes, awesome. DanTex Mar 2020 #51

I believe that Bernie's movement has been resoundingly rejected by the Democratic Party. TexasTowelie Mar 2020 #136

In other words, you're cheering on his spoiler role? George II Mar 2020 #140

I'm upset that people will be risking their lives to vote when we should all be staying home. femmedem Mar 2020 #59

Dan you have been around a long time...you know how fundraising works. We can't begin to put a Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #108

Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #114

"Bernie is going to win." - DanTex ehrnst Mar 2020 #122

The Man Will Do As He Did In 2016, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #21

Smart kids! ucrdem Mar 2020 #23

I Would Point Out, Sir, That I Did Not Argue The Matter With Them The Magistrate Mar 2020 #42

It really serves no good purpose. It gives his surrogates more opportunities to kneecap Biden. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #26

Good grief he was VP for 8 years jimfields33 Mar 2020 #35

Stop it. You know better. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #43

I haven't heard that's in days thankfully jimfields33 Mar 2020 #48

You know what else is "not right"? NurseJackie Mar 2020 #87

His core supporters are probably not Democrats either NCProgressive Mar 2020 #145

Based on observed behavior here and elsewhere... Hekate Mar 2020 #181

It's not criticism, it's putting off a VERY important general election campaign for another month! George II Mar 2020 #50

It isn't though jimfields33 Mar 2020 #52

Yes, I saw that. And about a third of the questions were about Sanders. What's this perceived.... George II Mar 2020 #66

The American electorate probably resembles something of a Bell curve BidenBacker Mar 2020 #107

In Fact, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #124

Seems to me BidenBacker Mar 2020 #139

Perhaps, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #141

I liked Bernie a lot BidenBacker Mar 2020 #143

Professor Warren Was My Preferred Candidate, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #144

Must admit BidenBacker Mar 2020 #150

Joe Biden is a progressive to the core NCProgressive Mar 2020 #147

I think Joe BidenBacker Mar 2020 #152

You Know, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #74

So, calling your opponent senile mcar Mar 2020 #106

Just frikkin pathetic. Squinch Mar 2020 #27

and if he loses NY I won't be surprised if he says he will stay in until June 2 still_one Mar 2020 #32

This gives credence to my speculation that getting the nomination is not Bernie's goal NCProgressive Mar 2020 #36

He Hopes To Rule The Wreckage, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #78

Oh, dear. I guess we'll have to keep talking about him here, then... MineralMan Mar 2020 #54

OPen letter to Bernie Sanders relayerbob Mar 2020 #58

WHY?? RandySF Mar 2020 #73

NY is not going to let Bernie have the 4/28 primary all to himself... Kahuna Mar 2020 #81

What Makes Him Think NYers Like Him? Me. Mar 2020 #86

He probably checked out 538's predictions BidenBacker Mar 2020 #93

And Would That Give Him The Win? Me. Mar 2020 #98

Hey BidenBacker Mar 2020 #99

Hope to heck NY doesn't have to delay the election. It's time to focus on trump. Hoyt Mar 2020 #89

I think the title should be Hav Mar 2020 #91

Sounds like he's in it all the way to convention to create as much havoc as possible. honest.abe Mar 2020 #103

2nd verse BidenBacker Mar 2020 #110

Best response to an attention seeker is to ignore them. Blasphemer Mar 2020 #116

He is just trying to remain relevant. I hope the voters in The remaining helpisontheway Mar 2020 #117

Who cares? Time to move on. NT Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #128

I care. If his smears and attacks on the Democratic party (and the process) are not refuted... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #138

You're right... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #146

I want it to be over too. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #151

Completely selfish and irresponsible. degage Mar 2020 #135

who? still_one Mar 2020 #137

Fine by me n/t Devil Child Mar 2020 #142

His "just the best people" staff rusty fender Mar 2020 #148

Biden's team will have no use for those characters in the G.E.. oasis Mar 2020 #167

They're not Democrats rusty fender Mar 2020 #169

Why is he torturing his faithful flock? NurseJackie Mar 2020 #157

$$$$$$.👋 Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #162

Arggh indeed. betsuni Mar 2020 #163

Arggh Gothmog Mar 2020 #168

From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Mar 2020 #173

I hope Biden ignores him. liberalmuse Mar 2020 #176

Remind New Yorkers that he left Brooklyn to go to Vermont. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #177

Why Can't Bernie Accept That Democratic Voters Didn't Want Him? Gothmog Mar 2020 #182

Good Polybius Mar 2020 #183