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MineralMan

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36. I'm of that age, as well. I do not consider Ralph Nader to be any sort of hero.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:59 PM
Mar 2020

Not in any way. He is directly responsible for Al Gore not winning the 2000 presidential election. He took money from the GOP to run against him, and cost him the election in Florida.

Further, the book that made him famous, "Unsafe at Any Speed" killed one of the most innovative automobiles of the 1960s. I actually owned a 1960 Corvair. Driven normally, it had few faults. It wasn't a sports car, and if driven to its limits, it did have a stability problem. No question about it. By the time Nader's book came out, that had been fixed by GM, and the car was just fine. But, the book killed its sales.

It also set US car manufacturing back at a time when innovative design was most needed. As a car buff, I regret the loss of the Chevy Corvair quite a great deal. Its air-cooled 6-cylinder engine had great potential, which was becoming realized just about the time it was killed by Nader's book. The car's body design was ahead of its time, as well. So, on those grounds, I also reject any hero status for Nader.

Nader sucks. His third party spoiler tactics inspired other third party candidates, including Jill Stein, who also ran as a Green Party candidate. Votes for her in 2016 cost Hillary Clinton three states that gave the election to Trump.

No hero, Ralph Nader. Not in any way!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
I remember that time as well PatSeg Mar 2020 #1
Like Pete Buttigieg said, we're long past due for a political reset. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #2
Exactly. As Democrats, we need to stop focusing primarily on Presidents. MineralMan Mar 2020 #9
Yes PatSeg Mar 2020 #10
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. MineralMan Mar 2020 #6
The term "unbending" PatSeg Mar 2020 #11
Exactly. That was what turned me off from the movement at that time. MineralMan Mar 2020 #13
Any study of the Russian revolution PatSeg Mar 2020 #14
Boris Pasternak's "Doctor Zhivago" is a pretty MineralMan Mar 2020 #16
Me too PatSeg Mar 2020 #17
I was so much older then musicman65 Mar 2020 #19
I agree Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #3
I agree with some of them, although Hayden's understanding of many MineralMan Mar 2020 #7
Just a side note here PatSeg Mar 2020 #12
Too cool! MineralMan Mar 2020 #21
He was there the day PatSeg Mar 2020 #22
I followed that trial pretty closely. MineralMan Mar 2020 #23
Yes, that is what I recall PatSeg Mar 2020 #24
Patriarchy, absolutely. MineralMan Mar 2020 #25
For a lot of young men, PatSeg Mar 2020 #33
disagree with something from that piece. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #4
You're right about that, I think, although I don't like the word "white trash" one bit. MineralMan Mar 2020 #8
Movement politics Todd79 Mar 2020 #5
Tom was a good Irishman. H2O Man Mar 2020 #15
The Establishment Didn't Destroy Bernie Sanders. He destroyed himself Gothmog Mar 2020 #18
Good article. His conspiratorial talk bothers me. I think it bothers a lot of people who want emmaverybo Mar 2020 #26
Great post. brush Mar 2020 #32
The movement described in that piece resonates for me... The Sanders movement does not Blasphemer Mar 2020 #20
I have been poor. True Blue American Mar 2020 #28
Thank you for that! True Blue American Mar 2020 #27
the democratic party has been a party of movements rampartc Mar 2020 #29
It's interesting that you mention Ralph Nader. MineralMan Mar 2020 #30
a hero to many of us of that age rampartc Mar 2020 #35
I'm of that age, as well. I do not consider Ralph Nader to be any sort of hero. MineralMan Mar 2020 #36
Agreed, his favorite phrase, "fighting the establishment" is pure '60s campus radical... brush Mar 2020 #31
As we're seeing, though, young people are not flocking to the polls MineralMan Mar 2020 #34
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