Democratic Primaries

beachbumbob

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21. so why do we have lines of people coming to america if its so bad?

Reply to pampango (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:59 AM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bluntly, the policy differences between Biden and Sanders simply don't matter [View all] Recursion Mar 2020 OP

And much more liberal than Joe Manchin and Doug Jones -- and we need them, too. n/t pnwmom Mar 2020 #1

Unfortunately I'm assuming Jones won't be returning Recursion Mar 2020 #2

We're trying to get Roy Moore to endorse Tommy Tuberville. House of Roberts Mar 2020 #15

I don't get what the "movement" and "revolution" stuff is about. betsuni Mar 2020 #3

sander's pie-in-the-sky free giveaways and thats about it beachbumbob Mar 2020 #5

What Europeans have is not 'pie in the sky free giveaways' though that is what Trump pampango Mar 2020 #10

US is not Europe beachbumbob Mar 2020 #12

It sure as hell isn't. You are right about that. pampango Mar 2020 #20

so why do we have lines of people coming to america if its so bad? beachbumbob Mar 2020 #21

Do you seriously not know the answer to that question? pampango Mar 2020 #23

I never buy into the bullshit that we have it bad here. We have lots to improve on but that beachbumbob Mar 2020 #24

We have crumbling infrastructure, inadequate health care, terrible income inequality, weak unions. pampango Mar 2020 #26

right, and nobody is trying to get into Europe or Canada, or... Kali Mar 2020 #54

One cannot apply a policy that works in a country of 5 million NYMinute Mar 2020 #17

Germany is 83 million. The EU is 500 million. pampango Mar 2020 #22

Germany doesn't have all the things Bernie wants NYMinute Mar 2020 #30

What exactly do they lack? I'll take their level of income equality, infrastructure and health care. pampango Mar 2020 #40

Germany's health care system is much like ours NYMinute Mar 2020 #43

Fair enough. What about their infrastructure, income equality, strong unions, climate pampango Mar 2020 #45

Rx for the country Midnightwalk Mar 2020 #65

There's lot more that separates us from Germany than just health care and prescriptions. pampango Mar 2020 #68

Italy is now letting the old die...rationing health care and the UK is coming up with their own Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #44

Medicare for some is bad? Or Medicare for all is bad? n/t pampango Mar 2020 #46

The rationing is bad and Sanders plan is now doomed. He will never be able overcome those optics... Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #49

There will always be rationing of some sort - by ability to pay, by government budgets that pampango Mar 2020 #56

Sorry Sanders does't bet to inflict a bad health care plan on this country...obviously it is Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #63

Covid overwhelming icus is different Midnightwalk Mar 2020 #59

I prefer a 21st century plan that begins with the ACA and a public option...I also want more Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #62

Even Yang's UBI (universal basic income) idea is more realistic than the rotten pie Bernie proposes onetexan Mar 2020 #38

It's not about policy. Renew Deal Mar 2020 #6

True, not about policy. No matter how often they say it is. betsuni Mar 2020 #14

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LOL looks like Ebinezer Scrooge onetexan Mar 2020 #39

When leader worship is called a "people's movement" dalton99a Mar 2020 #47

Yeah that's it. We don't care about policy (though Bernie is criticized here for his pie-in-the-sky pampango Mar 2020 #48

I prefer the term cult of personality HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #50

There is certainly a contrast between a focus on issues and on personality. n/t pampango Mar 2020 #57

You would encourage Bernie to drop out if you cared about policy. Renew Deal Mar 2020 #60

Bernie dropping out on March 18 rather than March 12 is not helping Trump. pampango Mar 2020 #66

Willingness to embrace focus on every issue through the lens of eminent Magoo48 Mar 2020 #11

President Carter installed solar panels on the White House and told people to conserve energy. betsuni Mar 2020 #13

Sadly, in light of what the world is now facing what you mention is irrelevant. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #16

Why is Bernie better and Biden "too friendly with the corporate problem"? betsuni Mar 2020 #18

Come on with the talking points. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #25

And? Recursion Mar 2020 #28

Let's politely disagree. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #29

You know most average people either work for corporations NYMinute Mar 2020 #33

To the best of my ability, I avoid or limit consumption of corporate commodities. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #37

Oh come on NYMinute Mar 2020 #42

Like Maya Angelou said, " when we know better, we do better." Magoo48 Mar 2020 #72

Talking points: corporate-conservatives, moderate, we the people, corpropolitical greed betsuni Mar 2020 #31

And none of those with an iota of foundation NYMinute Mar 2020 #34

We entertain different views of the world and future scenarios. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #35

Well judging by Sander's catastrophic multiple losses...this world view isn't popular with voters. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #53

It's regrettable so far, but there's time. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #71

oh sure he had opposition to corporate greed, but where were his ideas to combat it? onetexan Mar 2020 #41

The Virus is killing people now and as I pointed out UK is looking to ration care...the Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #51

Very true rpannier Mar 2020 #4

And giving in to them treestar Mar 2020 #7

Of course they do. DanTex Mar 2020 #8

And if these 2 get sick, we'll be stuck with Tulsi Gabbard IronLionZion Mar 2020 #9

Those policy differences were minuscule to begin with NYMinute Mar 2020 #19

Some posters refer to Sanders' policy ideas as "pie-in-the-sky" which they do not use for Biden's. pampango Mar 2020 #27

Biden has rational plans with numbers...unlike Sanders who won't say what the numbers are. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #52

How does Bernie pay for his major plans: pampango Mar 2020 #58

Ok...that is not a plan...but a fantasy. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #64

It's because Biden's plans are more realistic and more likely to make it through Congress. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #55

There is support for single-payer, M4A has popular support. Should we not promote pampango Mar 2020 #61

Corona has killed Medicare for all..wait until the pics of older people gasping for air as they die Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #67

I am glad you think so but I will wait for polls to bear out your opinion. pampango Mar 2020 #69

I don't need polls to tell me we can do better. But then I was never much of a fan... Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #70

If, inshallah, we take the Senate and WH, Pelosi has the initiative Recursion Mar 2020 #74

Ultimately, you're right. NT Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #36

Nonsense. Hasn't electing a bunch of RW extremist incompetents Hortensis Mar 2020 #73