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StevieM

(10,539 posts)
20. When Hillary was Secretary of State she had a level of sustained popularity that few others
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 05:01 PM
Mar 2020

have achieved. Her poll numbers were sky high for a few years.

The GOP swift boated her early, even going as far as to capitalize on a terrorist attack. Her problems in 2016 were not long-standing problems, they were new problems.

The email server was a non-event until the GOP, and their allies at the FBI and inspector generals' offices, decided to make it one. It was a nonsense story about nothing.

She did not take blue states for granted. She had larger ground games then Obama's in 2012 and spent more in advertising. And in all but one she made campaign stops. It is true that she didn't hold a rally in Wisconsin, but you usually don't when you are ahead by double digits. When the Comey intervention finally made Trump think he could win the first thing he did was cancel an appearance in Wisconsin. In any event, the evidence doesn't show that this was a determinative factor in who one Wisconsin, not that this one state even affected the outcome of the election.

And Hillary has pointed plenty of fingers at herself. She has repeatedly acknowledged making mistakes, many of which I personally don't think were even fair criticisms of her. But unless she says that she was a terrible candidate who had no right to run, and that every horrible thing ever said about her was true, we will never stop hearing that she doesn't take responsibility.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
I have missed the oart where democrats did this. SlogginThroughIt Mar 2020 #1
Endless 'new talking points' it seems empedocles Mar 2020 #4
... HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #2
Hey, HP BidenBacker Mar 2020 #11
+1 HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #12
Love that. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #37
I agree to a point. Demguy81 Mar 2020 #3
Please stop with the "corporate status quo" stuff, it's insulting to us LIFETIME Democrats. George II Mar 2020 #5
+1 William769 Mar 2020 #7
No way! I got bingo on that one! Squinch Mar 2020 #22
It is not. This thing is over and our battle should be against Trump. IluvPitties Mar 2020 #6
Both these guys have been around for decades BidenBacker Mar 2020 #8
I think Biden needs all the debate practice he can get to prep for rump. nt Doremus Mar 2020 #24
Trump won't debate. Bet on it and book the profits now. n/t CincyDem Mar 2020 #26
sanders is really a horrible debater in the real world Gothmog Mar 2020 #30
House & Senate DownriverDem Mar 2020 #9
The only thing Sunday's One-on-One Debate is for William769 Mar 2020 #10
Grumpy indeed BidenBacker Mar 2020 #13
Enough is enough relayerbob Mar 2020 #14
I don't see Trump's election that way at all. StevieM Mar 2020 #15
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #18
When Hillary was Secretary of State she had a level of sustained popularity that few others StevieM Mar 2020 #20
+1. HRC was the first female nominee of a major party radius777 Mar 2020 #38
I feel like the country did not deserve her eilen Mar 2020 #52
Dick Cheny used a private server, too, it was legal. He lost 7,000,000 e-mails. marble falls Mar 2020 #23
Correction. Trump won because 80K blue collars in the rust belt were sufficiently Doremus Mar 2020 #25
You are wrong Gothmog Mar 2020 #29
Those stats are meaningless without knowing how many Republicans on the other side totodeinhere Mar 2020 #47
There are disenchanted voters in every election and different candidates disenchant different voters StevieM Mar 2020 #31
Well Michigan showed no love for Sanders last night. And he has now lost Washington. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #36
Revisionist history...there were enough stein voters to have won Michigan. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #43
It will definitely be the best debate so far, lets hope MSM keeps out of it this time. nt yaesu Mar 2020 #16
But then, who will you have to blame? brooklynite Mar 2020 #17
Not interested. I wont even watch it. Sanders lost ...no interest Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #35
So you think Sanders should cross examine the presumptive nominee? Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #44
There's not going to be an audience. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2020 #53
I hope bernie uses this debate to try to get his supporters behind biden. dsp3000 Mar 2020 #19
You forgot to say "oligarch" and "corporatist." Well done on getting "feet to the fire" in there. Squinch Mar 2020 #21
Points off for not squeezing "truth to power" in there, however. nt Codeine Mar 2020 #41
I agree with you, Polichick. Doremus Mar 2020 #27
Sanders is causing the problem. He lost the nomination ...he should get out. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #34
The cycle started by Nader and continued with Stein? dansolo Mar 2020 #39
Sanders lost, the primary and that is not a disaster but a good thing as he would lose Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #45
You do know that sanders is a horrible debater Gothmog Mar 2020 #28
Yawn... stopbush Mar 2020 #32
No it is not. Sanders has no right to question Biden. He should fuck off. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #33
Bullshit. djg21 Mar 2020 #40
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #42
I cant believe a person who lost all but one small caucus would not concede. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #46
Trump and his Russian allies don't think it's a waste of time. Renew Deal Mar 2020 #49
True that. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #50
This helps Trump and has no positive impact on the Democratic Party. Renew Deal Mar 2020 #48
We will 1000000000000x better off with return to Obama era standards than letting trump beachbumbob Mar 2020 #51
sanders staying in the race and losing by large mardins will be amusing Gothmog Mar 2020 #54
No it isn't...Sanders lost...time to move on. It is over...Sanders needs to go back to the Senate Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #55
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