What's with the mass hysteria from the Biden voters here

[Rilgin]

50. You are peeing in the wind

Just wanted to add a voice to support your thoughts. This site is not truly representative of the greater Democratic Party who have favorable views of both Biden and Bernie. However, this site is over represented by Bernie haters who post daily attack after attack against Bernie, his supporters or generally anyone on the left of the party. Some are valid attacks because all people including politicians have warts, but many and I would say a great majority are just inauthentic either made up or misrepresented.

Your contention that the argument goes both ways is absolutely correct. I was very worried about Hillary's chances in 2016 because Hillary had high net negatives in the population from the second she announced. Many of the negatives were unfair but some were entirely rational such as democratic party members like me who had policy concerns about her. I did not support her because of her support for the war and statements like We will never never have a single payer system. If you support single payer and also know that the overwhelming support in the general population for that change, you were entirely rational in not believing Hillary was a good candidate. As a practical matter of electability, I thought it was crazy to push a candidate with high net unfavorables against Trump who had slightly higher net unfavorables. I wish Warren or Biden had run then or other candidates who did not run to clear Hillary's path in 2016.

On this site and in this post, you see constant references to the fact that some people who voted for Sanders either didn't Vote for Hillary, voted Third Party or voted for Trump. This particular poster knows that this pattern is very typical in a contested primary and has been told over and over and over that the numbers are less than the number of Hillary Voters that voted for McCain over Obama. The poster also ignores that many non-sanders supporters who voted for Obama did not vote for Hillary. Does that mean that Obama supporters were responsible for Hillary's loss? Think about it, the comparison is the same but unlike this poster, I would not blame Obama voters who didn't vote for Hillary. A candidate loses because they lose and if someone didn't vote for Hillary, it is her campaign that is at fault or maybe she just was the wrong candidate for the wrong time. However, if you are going to blame Bernie Supporters start blaming Obama Supporter/voters as well.

I supported Sanders in 2016 cause of policies. I supported Warren in this race because the policies were similar but the irrational hatred exhibited on this site against Sanders which does exist in the democratic party (merely because he did have the effrontery to run in 2016 and do well) might not be thrown against Warren.

With respect to Sanders in 2016, I suspect he just ran to get issues in the debate and was probably surprised by the support and votes he got. Just now, for the first time, I hear in the punditry and media statements in a side swipe at Sanders that maybe his 2016 support reflected more about Hillary and the fact that many democrats were uncomfortable with her because of her war votes and lack of early support for issues supported by the left. However, as you have pointed out, the moderate wing which pushed Hillary does not consider that maybe it was her moderateness and dismissal of the left rather than other features that caused problems in 2016 although I am now seeing some movement in the pundit class admitting that maybe not everyone viewed Hillary favorably. Today I saw a few pundits minimizing Bernie by speculating that his 2016 support was more a reflection of Hillary without realizing that maybe they were saying that the 2016 candidate might have had some weaknesses. I would have preferred that we saw some of those admissions in 2016

Joe Biden does not have the net unfavorables that Hillary had in 2016 which makes me more optimistic about his chances against Trump. However, again we are being sold an inflated version of Biden that bears no relation to his actual history. His history is one of a moderate corporate democrat not a progressive champion of the middle class. He does not inspire hate but he is not a beloved figure who everyone loves. This is not to dismiss all of his support. Like most politicians he has some true blue supporters. However, he is also being oversold with a push that the support he gets from his deep supporters is universal.

As you pointed out, there is a dismissal of the real meaning of Bernie's support currently and in 2016 that the moderates dismiss or avoid. The system does not actually work for a lot of people. US wealth inequality continues to grow. Our upward mobility in the economic system is almost gone. Young people face a world that has limited work, expensive schooling and climate change coming. These crises are dismissed by Moderates who claim that they have the same goals. Their argument continues that the only difference between progressives and moderates is that moderates want incremental change. This is an arguable point but obscures that actually moderates and progressives often want different policies including M4A. Incremental change on agreed polices may be correct but it may not be correct. Incremental change is often a study as a way of avoiding tough change. Further, there is no real followup in explaining how if Sanders can not get through his changing the system how Biden or any moderate would get any incremental change through. Sanders says a voting revolution. Moderates say change the Senate. These are two statements of the same idea.

Anyhow, this is longer than I meant to post. Your post and my post will not get far as emotions in a primary are high and people don't actually want to understand the reason Bernie does have supporters. They would rather dismiss them as unicorn hunters, babies, inflexible, etc etc. You know the attacks by now.