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Democratic Primaries

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relayerbob

(7,000 posts)
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 03:05 PM Mar 2020

Sad to watch my friends sink to such depths of despair ... [View all]

Last edited Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:45 PM - Edit history (1)

I have many friends who are Sanders supporters, and I won't argue or even engage with them on the topic, because some (not all) are so wrapped up in the personality cult aspects of the "Revolution". Many seem to have completely lost their bearings, and are spewing out GOP talking points and videos and links to Russian articles, etc. and just generally sounding like the Trumpanzees they claim to despise. It's so sad. I can't say anything to them, as that won't accomplish anything but being attacked or being disowned.

They can't seem to understand the difference between allies with different ways of approaching the problem and mortal enemies. They act like no one has ever lost an election before. I didn't act like that when Liz dropped out, and I haven't seen other friends and acquaintances who supported Buttegieg and Klobuchar or Warren act like that.

They really can't see that one of the biggest problems facing Sanders' attempts are based on Sanders' and their own actions. They don't get that they are the ones driving everyone away from their rigid positions. For many, especially Warren supporters, it's not the policies, nor the messages, but the messenger that we oppose. As a long time leader of teams and organizations large and small, I could go on at some length about how Sanders approach to leadership can never work, and how his selection of people around him demonstrates poor judgement, and how most people don't want a "revolution", we want progress and healing. But they don't listen, no matter how carefully phrased.

It will take a team of hard-working, dedicated and intelligent people from all walks of life to solve these issues, and alienating everyone, right to the edge (and sometimes over) of sexist, age-ist and racist remarks, by people who I know are not normally like that, won't accomplish that. The one-person-knows-all approach is failing us right before our eyes in DC, and they seem bent on replacing that with their form, regardless of the wishes of the majority of the people in the party and in the country. "Democracy? Vote? We don't need that, you all are too stupid to know what's good for you!" No matter how they phrase it, that's what they are saying, and it's infuriating. But I bite my tongue and wait for the results of the elections.

I'll be so glad when this primary is over.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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It's a problem revolutionaries have had historically Turbineguy Mar 2020 #1
Much worse is their equating skepticism to evil Steven Maurer Mar 2020 #55
SAdly, I've been in social media since about 1982 relayerbob Mar 2020 #58
Bernie cooked it for me gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #2
I voted for him in the 2016 primary. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2020 #35
Right there with you Docreed2003 Mar 2020 #51
Same relayerbob Mar 2020 #60
"I have news for the Democratic establisment and the Republican establisment... brush Mar 2020 #41
"Only I can solve your problems. Everyone else is stupid" NYMinute Mar 2020 #48
Yep, yin and yang. brush Mar 2020 #49
same here wyldwolf Mar 2020 #3
Take heart after today Bernie will be done for Botany Mar 2020 #4
Sadly, unless he stops, the craziness is likely to get worse relayerbob Mar 2020 #12
If Sanders loses Michigan, Mississippi, and Missouri today he is toast Botany Mar 2020 #15
Last cycle, Bernie won the caucuses and got the delegates... Wounded Bear Mar 2020 #37
Character and temperament always trump (excuse the expression) specific policy frazzled Mar 2020 #5
I had to crash a Facebook thread the other day genxlib Mar 2020 #6
Oh, sure. I've seen the same sentiment. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #9
That's our Joe BidenBacker Mar 2020 #16
From my observation, you both are hitting each other's hot buttons. Baitball Blogger Mar 2020 #7
I actually don't post anything negative about other candidates relayerbob Mar 2020 #10
"I feel much safer talking here" TwilightZone Mar 2020 #33
I absolutely agree relayerbob Mar 2020 #63
Yes, let's keep it simple. We should all want to beat Trump. Period. brush Mar 2020 #44
When Sanders announced, I knew all this would happen. AGAIN. Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #8
+1!!! Cha Mar 2020 #21
You perfectly described why BS failed to persuade a majority Hav Mar 2020 #11
I'm glad I missed that thread relayerbob Mar 2020 #14
My Grandma used to say mercuryblues Mar 2020 #13
This is so true. I have many friends on FB like this. LymphocyteLover Mar 2020 #17
What Rebl2 Mar 2020 #18
I think the vast majority will get over it by then relayerbob Mar 2020 #25
I do hope so Rebl2 Mar 2020 #59
I thimk that is really, really unlikely. ramen Mar 2020 #42
That's my experience Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #46
Thank you so much for this post. ehrnst Mar 2020 #19
I am curious: do any of these "friends". . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2020 #20
Answers relayerbob Mar 2020 #24
Republicans stay on message mountain grammy Mar 2020 #22
No kidding! calimary Mar 2020 #23
When I pick a primary candidate, which I have already voted for, I do so because they best match yaesu Mar 2020 #26
Exactly relayerbob Mar 2020 #27
I like Liz & hope she gets the VP pick, that would be awesome. nt yaesu Mar 2020 #28
True, but unlikely relayerbob Mar 2020 #29
Exactly. Codeine Mar 2020 #62
JFC dude, it's not like they're trump voters. docgee Mar 2020 #30
Nope, they are not relayerbob Mar 2020 #32
I quit engaging on social media. madamesilverspurs Mar 2020 #31
Excellent. emmaverybo Mar 2020 #54
I'm sorry about your friends. spicysista Mar 2020 #34
Thanks relayerbob Mar 2020 #38
The fat lady is gonna sing tonight Sucha NastyWoman Mar 2020 #36
I will be glad, too Lulu KC Mar 2020 #39
Oh, I sadly know relayerbob Mar 2020 #40
Vote for the candidate you like most in the primary. warmfeet Mar 2020 #43
This doesnt surprise me. honest.abe Mar 2020 #45
I think Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #47
It depends upon Sen. Sanders NYMinute Mar 2020 #52
They didn't get over it last time Sucha NastyWoman Mar 2020 #66
Yes, I heard so much of that relayerbob Mar 2020 #57
Great OP ... bravo! NYMinute Mar 2020 #50
TY relayerbob Mar 2020 #56
+1 Ferrets are Cool Mar 2020 #53
He has caused a rift in my family, something akin to the one caused by Trump. Mister Ed Mar 2020 #61
Now that would suck relayerbob Mar 2020 #65
I have a lot of Bernie friends too marlakay Mar 2020 #64
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