Populist Reform of the Democratic Party

merrily

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90. I do not excuse the internment of any group, even a little, no matter what.

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 08:21 AM

Jul 2015

When it came to race and xenophobia, FDR was awful, IMO.

For one, he interned the Japanese and also Germans and Italians. However, for the second thing, he interned many more Japanese than he did Germans and Italians. For another, he declined to move on equal rights because he thought it would cost Democrats elections. He was right, but that is beside the point, just as it was beside the point for Kennedy to fight Nixon on health care because Kennedy did not want a Republican President to get credit for it. Certain things SHOULD trump party loyalty, IMO.

The racism was OK then argument doesn't move me because from the 1600s forward, there have been decent people who objected to racism in all its manifestations, slavery, Jim Crow, etc. With googling or doing other research, I bet many during FDR's time were speaking out against internment and other forms of racism. We know his own wife tried hard to persuade him on certain issues.

However, as I said, I am not focused on whether FDR, overal, is better or worse than any other individual. I am focused on policies. Therefore, I can condemn his racist policies wholeheartedly, while bowing before his New Deal.

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15 Ways Bill Clinton’s White House Failed America and the World [View all] RiverLover Jun 2015 OP

Bill Clinton hit piece! I didn't know he was running for President again. leftofcool Jun 2015 #1

The value in studying historical facts is that it allows us to know what happened & how, & then RiverLover Jun 2015 #9

K & R Thespian2 Jun 2015 #28

I don't see this is a 'hit piece' at all. RiverNoord Jun 2015 #39

^^^ So True! RiverLover Jun 2015 #51

Right back at ya :-) RiverNoord Jun 2015 #54

When someone calls your OP a hit piece without even attempting to refute a jot, merrily Jul 2015 #72

+1000 peacebird Jul 2015 #76

Never forget...the Clintons have been wreaking havoc on this country for too long and are partly responsible for the ills Bernie talks about that has the populace energized. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #89

This. 20x over. Except that what it really does is let us hold up the record and say, "See, we jtuck004 Jul 2015 #120

However decided one could only post pieces about candidates? Paka Jun 2015 #18

Anything that might reflect badly upon Hillary is, by fiat, allegedly out of bounds. merrily Jul 2015 #73

Someone who approved his policies, even participated in them, is running, though. merrily Jul 2015 #71

by your logic, it's not fair to examine the Bush legacy HFRN Jul 2015 #106

It's fair because Hillary stated her intention to use him as an advisor. Nt JudyM Feb 2016 #142

Thank you for posting. SamKnause Jun 2015 #2

"Failed" < More people in poverty, more near poverty, less owners and more people indebted to the jtuck004 Jun 2015 #3

Still failing would be more accurate. RiverLover Jun 2015 #12

We get the best representation corporate investors can buy. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #31

Been failed so long, it looks like win to us. merrily Jun 2015 #70

I read that on Red State Dot Com,,,,,, LOL.... Cryptoad Jun 2015 #4

I'm not surprised you hang out there. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #8

Attacking Democrats is not change... Cryptoad Jun 2015 #26

And you can refute it? If not, what's your point? merrily Jul 2015 #112

Deregulating the Telecommunications Industry Chasstev365 Jun 2015 #5

Thank you. I didn't see how the telecommunications Act tied in with FoxFiction. /nt RiverLover Jun 2015 #10

The Telecommunications Deregulation Act put me out of a job. OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #20

Obama hired Genachowski, who worked for Faux, as his first FCC head. merrily Jul 2015 #74

Fooled and fooled again, that's me too. zeemike Jun 2015 #6

Very good point. RiverLover Jun 2015 #11

In at least one of the points Bill says he could not have stopped the override of his veto. How true jwirr Jun 2015 #41

A few things: merrily Jul 2015 #79

Thank you. That is how I remembered it but did not know how he did it. jwirr Jul 2015 #104

Tell me about it. zeemike Jul 2015 #87

That is supposedly the purpose of a safe haven, to enable discussion that merrily Jul 2015 #93

Well intellectually I am against any form of censoring speech zeemike Jul 2015 #97

I've been going down this thread post by post. I'm sorry to contradict merrily Jul 2015 #116

No problem with contradicting me. zeemike Jul 2015 #121

It's not an error to say he was responsible tularetom Jun 2015 #56

Well of course you are right. zeemike Jun 2015 #68

Well it's true I have greater disdain for the sell out than the buyer, zeemike Jul 2015 #84

Selling out is its own sin, though. merrily Jul 2015 #75

And I think you see it clearly. zeemike Jul 2015 #82

I might quibble with 'majority' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #7

Excellent post. RiverLover Jun 2015 #14

And those bubbles are why my daughter thinks he was such a good economic president. False front jwirr Jun 2015 #43

Similarly, Presidents don't necessarily create all the good things that happen while they are in merrily Jul 2015 #78

WJC - The Best Moderate Republican President Of The Last Century - Third Way DLCER To The Core cantbeserious Jun 2015 #13

DLC FOUNDING member AND salesperson, along with Hillary Clinton. merrily Jul 2015 #80

Roger That cantbeserious Jul 2015 #132

^^^This RiverLover Jul 2015 #134

I recall being a staunch defender of the Clintons during Monica FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #15

Thing is, he was lying through his teeth as he was wagging that finger. merrily Jul 2015 #81

Of course he was. tymorial Jul 2015 #103

My support of whom? merrily Jul 2015 #107

nontroversies are a great way to whitewash bad policy: MisterP Jul 2015 #122

So very true. FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #123

I am waiting with great anticipation MyNameGoesHere Jun 2015 #16

I ADORE FDR. I am a proud FDR Democrat. (see my profile) It's why I don't like The Clintons. RiverLover Jun 2015 #22

I wrote my thesis on the Japanese internment. OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #23

One act in a time of war, when we had Japanese spies in the US & no way to track them & RiverLover Jun 2015 #30

Both parties had anti-Asian planks in their platforms. OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #63

Does internment mean the New Deal did not save the nation from the tubes? merrily Jul 2015 #83

The New Deal was a revolutionary accomplishment and FDR deserves commendation for that. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #86

I do not excuse the internment of any group, even a little, no matter what. merrily Jul 2015 #90

Claiming that the internment was due to racism OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #92

I think you may have misunderstood that part of my post. merrily Jul 2015 #94

That's hilarious. tazkcmo Jul 2015 #126

you seem desperate! stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #17

No, just resigned. RiverLover Jun 2015 #19

another Clinton will be in the oval office stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #21

BTW, I like your signature line. It might interest you to know~ RiverLover Jun 2015 #42

Please don't assume all posters are interested in actual facts and issues. merrily Jul 2015 #91

Jury results. merrily Jul 2015 #101

They are really trying to purge here. Unbelievable that was alerted on, merrily! RiverLover Jul 2015 #138

yep merrily Jul 2015 #139

Hardly desparate. Looking for truth. Can you deny any of the article is untrue? jwirr Jun 2015 #44

. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #58

IOW, no you can't. merrily Jul 2015 #95

emails and stuff stonecutter357 Jul 2015 #96

All of which is fact free and none of which has a thing to do with refuting the OP. merrily Jul 2015 #98

unban me Thanks. stonecutter357 Jul 2015 #99

More fact free. You were never blocked here, where I am a host; and I never blocked you anywhere. merrily Jul 2015 #100

why are you voting for a gun nut? stonecutter357 Jul 2015 #131

I'm not. The NRA rates him D- to F. merrily Jul 2015 #133

Where the hell am I? RU or CHU? /nt aka-chmeee Jun 2015 #24

When I read the repub policies Clinton enacted, I wonder if its also posted somewhere on a RU site. RiverLover Jun 2015 #32

You are in the Populist REFORM Group, not the Please Give Us More of Same Group. merrily Jul 2015 #109

so your reaction to having all the ways Clinton was like the Republicans MisterP Jul 2015 #125

What a complete crock of horse manure Gman Jun 2015 #25

So apparently you are still in the uninformed voter stage. DrBulldog Jun 2015 #35

LOL! Were you even born yet???? Gman Jun 2015 #62

Well I feel sorrry for you because he is not the best president in the lifetime of many of us. FDR jwirr Jun 2015 #45

Hmm. I wonder why the Bernistas are now going after Bill Clinton's redstateblues Jun 2015 #49

False front prosperity and it was not peaceful - just better than W. jwirr Jun 2015 #50

Because we can have the peace and prosperity and live in a decent society in which JDPriestly Jun 2015 #57

Peaceful? What about Kosovo, the dot com bubble, and the rise of clear channel? d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #67

Actually, it was neither, unless you deem extraordinary rendition and bombing a pharmaceutical plant merrily Jul 2015 #85

One person posts about Bill Clinton's Republican moves and you think its all INdemo Jul 2015 #88

Why is it a "hit piece" when its all true? RiverLover Jul 2015 #135

I wish I could say FDR Gman Jun 2015 #61

But following up behind the great pretender and Bush 1 Historic NY Jul 2015 #119

FDR was the best president in my lifetime. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #55

I don't disagree with anything you say Gman Jun 2015 #64

The president's power depends in great part on his personality. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #66

Gman, I complimented you recently about having made a classy self deletion, an apology merrily Jul 2015 #110

Yes you did Gman Jul 2015 #124

It's a protected group because the owner of this board decided protected groups merrily Jul 2015 #127

Ok, Gman Jul 2015 #128

VERY classy response. Thank you. merrily Jul 2015 #129

Context is everything. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #27

This is the actual history, that the Clintons & their Clinton propaganda machine don't want people RiverLover Jun 2015 #34

It is a shame that you are so willing to believe the bullshit Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #36

It's what happened. He did repeal G-S, he did enact NAFTA, he did crush welfare, he did all of it. RiverLover Jun 2015 #38

It's pathetic that the Hillary haters have now decided redstateblues Jun 2015 #46

You are not welcome to describe members of this safe haven group as Hillary haters merrily Jul 2015 #114

I call bullshit. Either refute the OP or not. And again, this is a protected group. You are not merrily Jul 2015 #113

Please provide facts: which bills cited in the hit piece were passed by overriding Clinton's veto? Kip Humphrey Jun 2015 #40

But he has always tried to play that his was not a failed presidency. Glass-Steagell alone is enough jwirr Jun 2015 #47

Your post is totally inappropriate for this protected group and something is not a RW talking point merrily Jul 2015 #111

Wow! Had no idea Bill Clinton was running again. He has my vote! LOL Laser102 Jun 2015 #29

Please do not troll this safe haven group. Thanks. merrily Jul 2015 #115

Now here's the really sad part . . . DrBulldog Jun 2015 #33

TPA and TPP. jwirr Jun 2015 #48

I was a very proud voter for Clinton. But as more and more of the bills he liked and signed LiberalArkie Jun 2015 #37

At least you started paying attention while he was in office. RiverLover Jun 2015 #52

Can anyone tell me what happened between 1992 and 2000 by this chart LiberalArkie Jun 2015 #53

Very telling graph, LA. Thanks. RiverLover Jun 2015 #59

Clinton hijacked the Dem Party - that's his legacy. polichick Jun 2015 #60

I was searching for a way to summarize this succinctly. Boom! RiverLover Jun 2015 #65

Well that, and economic collapse in several countries, including this one. merrily Jul 2015 #117

I wonder if Mrs. Clinton's views would be far from these RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2015 #77

Your post ignores any number of things and is flat wrong on others. If you can actually refute merrily Jul 2015 #118

deleted my post so as not to pollute this forum 6chars Jul 2015 #130

Gee do you think this has to do with Hillary running for office? tymorial Jul 2015 #102

Why yes, it does. RiverLover Jul 2015 #136

16 - Radically expanded H-1b visas to destroy tech as an obvious career choice for young people HFRN Jul 2015 #105

She helped make IT a poor career choice for American students with that move. RiverLover Jul 2015 #137

What a "Dose of Reality" can do..... fredamae Jul 2015 #108

I Echo......I was a huge Bill Clinton Supporter........ KoKo Jul 2015 #140

SO Yes....Ready for Bernie! RiverLover Jul 2015 #141