Populist Reform of the Democratic Party

whereisjustice

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86. Defending the excuse of horrible ethics and morals by claiming "everyone was doing it"

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:32 AM

Mar 2015

just makes her less likely to be the Democratic Party nominee. This is what happens when Democratic conservatives collect a lot of money from Wall Street banks, and foist a prickly candidate with triangulating principles on us and ordering us to support them.

This is a problem of her own making and if she wasn't smart enough to understand what a STUPID idea it was to not only run her own server, but to not archive them according to regulations then she does not deserve the nomination.

We've seen it before

1. Do something unethical.

2. Deny you've done anything unethical.

3. Drag your dead mother into it (this is a new low).

4. Admit that you did what you are accused of, but argue over the semantics of the rules

5. The Democratic Party uses up all good will, finacial capital and political capital defending her.

6. We are set back for a decade or so.

She's not worth it.

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Mark, did she answer all the questions out there with her news conference this week? [View all] whereisjustice Mar 2015 OP

and so, the GOP wins again. pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #1

No aspirant Mar 2015 #3

The GOP only wins if we don't come up with a viable candidate. leveymg Mar 2015 #9

If by "we," you mean the Democratic Party, Hillary has been its choice, maybe since merrily Mar 2015 #77

It's refreshing to read 100% realism, no denial added, for a change. n/t leveymg Mar 2015 #82

Thank you. Funny is my first choice. Real is my second. merrily Mar 2015 #83

You can't be really funny unless you're real. leveymg Mar 2015 #84

In person, I'm funnier (I hope) than I am on a political message board. merrily Mar 2015 #85

Personally I'd love to see Warren run because I do believe she can win blm Mar 2015 #91

100% pure echo chamber bullshit. You better give people a better reason to have only Hillary around whereisjustice Mar 2015 #12

People like the Koch brothers win biggest when Democrats go right. merrily Mar 2015 #78

What a sad defense for her behavior. "We must overlook what she did so we can rhett o rick Mar 2015 #104

Second that for the third time Fairgo Mar 2015 #112

It's only presidential when Bush, Cheney, Rove did it. Ever try media comparisons blm Mar 2015 #2

Truth has a way of expanding aspirant Mar 2015 #5

It is entirely appropraite to keep the focus on the party nominee whose "they did it too" whereisjustice Mar 2015 #11

I don't buy that spin - The criticism was of the media's approach to both. blm Mar 2015 #13

Did the Bush WH have an offical .gov email address or did they do all of their email RiverLover Mar 2015 #14

Bush WH used the RNCs server for a great deal of their emails. Guess corpmedia isn't blm Mar 2015 #16

She made a choice - her paranoia & personal convenience was worth the damage to the Democratic Party whereisjustice Mar 2015 #15

I said exactly why the Benghazi committee is keeping focus on HRC and her emails instead of blm Mar 2015 #17

The morality is simple - should she have used a private email server and allow whereisjustice Mar 2015 #18

LOLOL - I do know what I am seeing here….. blm Mar 2015 #20

Answer the question. Was it moral and ethical to hide public transactions as a public official? whereisjustice Mar 2015 #21

You didn't answer anything I said yet petulantly demand answers? blm Mar 2015 #22

Does she represent the Democratic Party or herself? Was it moral or ethical? whereisjustice Mar 2015 #23

The search about the emails is because of Benghazi - Big picture blm Mar 2015 #74

She made a choice of following the standard practice at the time. Thor_MN Mar 2015 #80

Defending the excuse of horrible ethics and morals by claiming "everyone was doing it" whereisjustice Mar 2015 #86

And the GOP thanks you for doing their dirty work. Thor_MN Mar 2015 #90

You must recognize how silly that statement really is. But I guess it's all you've rhett o rick Mar 2015 #105

You can't possibly be be even close to serious. Thor_MN Mar 2015 #107

I don't buy your, "the enemy of my ememy is my friend", crap. The Republicons are stupid and rhett o rick Mar 2015 #108

So you don't buy that people doing the exact same thing are helping each other? Thor_MN Mar 2015 #109

I don't buy your logic that if the Republicons don't like HRC then I must rhett o rick Mar 2015 #110

Not unnoticed AT ALL. Democrats, including Hillary, condemned Bush the Lesser over that merrily Mar 2015 #79

The corporate MEDIA did. Perhaps you can explain the discrepancy in their blm Mar 2015 #88

Not really. Also I didn't say "no difference," but you said "unnoticed." merrily Mar 2015 #92

It most certainly did ignore the enormity of the Bush WH emails. blm Mar 2015 #93

Again, "ignored" and "made less of" are not synonyms. merrily Mar 2015 #94

In newsmedia, when the probing articles are 100-1, yes, it's ignoring the ENORMITY blm Mar 2015 #95

It's not "unnoticed" either, though I guess you edited after my replies. merrily Mar 2015 #96

It was by you, apparently, someone who considers yourself informed. blm Mar 2015 #97

No, Bush's deletions were not unnoticed by me--because media reported on them. merrily Mar 2015 #98

To what degree? When media volume goes to 100 on this story and 1 on those blm Mar 2015 #99

Still prefer going ad hom to discussing issues. How boring and ineffective! merrily Mar 2015 #100

Wrong - it's the reality of US news media. blm Mar 2015 #101

Thanks so much for implying that I lack courage and integrity, yet without proving merrily Mar 2015 #114

The media is just one aspect of our electoral process that needs overhauling. CrispyQ Mar 2015 #81

I hadn't thought of that - it is such a simple truth. blm Mar 2015 #89

Oh Goody! Another anti-Hillary thread I get to trash! Keep em comin'! leftofcool Mar 2015 #4

Be careful aspirant Mar 2015 #7

Well fuck me for demanding our leaders behave like real people instead of prima donnas. whereisjustice Mar 2015 #10

...^ that 840high Mar 2015 #27

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #6

Political press conferences have 3 results aspirant Mar 2015 #8

Jim Baker? GeorgeGist Mar 2015 #19

No, not presidential, more like Russian Emperor or Royal Monarch behavior. She is disqualified. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #24

"Remember Caesar, thou art mortal." nt eppur_se_muova Mar 2015 #25

Horseshit. MADem Mar 2015 #26

Horseshit your horseshit. Democrats acting like Republicans SUCK. Just because a douchebag like Bush whereisjustice Mar 2015 #28

She did nothing wrong. She did nothing illegal. MADem Mar 2015 #29

Bullshit. She did something wrong! You sound like Goldman Sachs defending mortgage fraud whereisjustice Mar 2015 #32

No, she did nothing wrong. The archivist of the United States is satisfied with her MADem Mar 2015 #33

nonsense, here's what was said on the record whereisjustice Mar 2015 #45

I can't "answer the question" because she did NOTHING that was immoral or unethical--or ILLEGAL. MADem Mar 2015 #46

Is it moral and ethical for public officials to keep public records private and decide which ones whereisjustice Mar 2015 #47

According to the Archivist of the United States, the answer is YES. MADem Mar 2015 #49

Clinton violated record keeping regulations, where does the "national archivist" say whereisjustice Mar 2015 #50

He said she broke no laws and violated no rules. I'll believe him before I believe MADem Mar 2015 #51

lmao - really? Where is this quote you are referring to? There is no such quote from national whereisjustice Mar 2015 #52

Now you're being rude and disruptive and accusatory. Smooth move! MADem Mar 2015 #55

Nope. Where does he say Hillary did nothing wrong regarding latest revelations? Waiting.... whereisjustice Mar 2015 #56

lol- using an "alias" or "multiple accounts" is absolutely not the same as a private email server whereisjustice Mar 2015 #57

No, I am not. You're the one who has it wrong. MADem Mar 2015 #58

Until you provide the quote where the national archivist says Hillary did nothing wrong, you are whereisjustice Mar 2015 #61

Calling me a liar again? Keep it up! MADem Mar 2015 #64

Show me anytime in the last 12 months whereisjustice Mar 2015 #66

He made the statement in sworn testimony in 2013. That was clear from my link. MADem Mar 2015 #67

Where is the quote where he said Hillary did nothing wrong. I want that quote not some generic whereisjustice Mar 2015 #68

Well, you can want in one hand.... MADem Mar 2015 #69

No. You said the National Archivist said Hillary did nothing wrong. Where is that quote? whereisjustice Mar 2015 #70

He did. In sworn testimony in 2013. You are starting to sound like a broken record. MADem Mar 2015 #71

I want the quote where he said Hillary did nothing wrong. You can't find it. That's because whereisjustice Mar 2015 #72

There you go, calling me a liar AGAIN. See post 71, again, and get over yourself, again. nt MADem Mar 2015 #73

Do you even read what you post? He doesn't say "Hillary did nothing wrong." whereisjustice Mar 2015 #102

He didn't say "Every government official except the SECSTATE." You're flailing. Desperate. MADem Mar 2015 #103

But HRC failed to capture her emails for the record. Divernan Mar 2015 #59

She sent her communications to State, where they were captured. MADem Mar 2015 #60

No she didn't. You are making things up. She did not copy .gov on every email. That's EXACTLY the whereisjustice Mar 2015 #62

You keep calling me a liar--but I'm not. Your incivility is noted, and sad. MADem Mar 2015 #106

You attributed a quote to someone that was false. You made it up. What does that make you? whereisjustice Mar 2015 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author Divernan Mar 2015 #75

Are you calling HRC a dead horse? aspirant Mar 2015 #34

The dead horse is this bullshit claim. MADem Mar 2015 #35

So.... aspirant Mar 2015 #36

No, but you are rude, disruptive and obvious. nt MADem Mar 2015 #37

Is a dead horse always obvious aspirant Mar 2015 #38

This isn't general discussion. You are in a group. Behave yourself. You've been given far more whereisjustice Mar 2015 #63

I agree completely. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #111

Horseshit my ass. malokvale77 Mar 2015 #40

I was in that line--when it happened, too. nt MADem Mar 2015 #41

I'm glad to hear it. malokvale77 Mar 2015 #42

Clinton did nothing wrong. MADem Mar 2015 #43

I never said she did anything wrong. malokvale77 Mar 2015 #44

"Hillary in 2016! Sure she made some mistakes but she's not as bad as Bush!" tularetom Mar 2015 #30

and we'll spend every goddamn dime and every human resource cleaning up after the mess she makes... whereisjustice Mar 2015 #31

This kind of decision making on her part... malokvale77 Mar 2015 #39

we'll spend every last bit of political capital bailing her ass out every few months whereisjustice Mar 2015 #48

We damn sure don't need a candidate with the same political garbage as the GOP candidate. malokvale77 Mar 2015 #53

+1 thank you for very good summary whereisjustice Mar 2015 #54

Must be love..... lumpy Mar 2015 #65

Diane Rehm & her distinguished guests back you up 100%, whereisjustice Divernan Mar 2015 #76

Thanks, The Democratic National Committee seems prepared to use every last resource not whereisjustice Mar 2015 #87