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rhett o rick

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Sat Jan 31, 2015, 07:31 PM Jan 2015

The Government’s TPP Rhetoric (code for bullshit) [View all]


The definition of rhetoric is – “Language designed to have persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content”. (www.oxforddictionaries.com/) Or just a fancy way of saying “bullshit”.

Rhetoric is very common in politics so it shouldn't be surprising to find the government’s website that explains the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP choked full of it. (https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-chapter-chapter-negotiating-5)

This site is a tremendous example of empty rhetoric. Let’s look at some:

Pertaining to the environment:
“Specifically, in the TPP we are seeking:
Strong and enforceable environment obligations, subject to the same dispute settlement mechanism as other obligations in TPP;

Commitments to effectively enforce domestic environmental laws, including laws that implement multilateral environmental agreements, and commitments not to waive or derogate from the protections afforded in environmental laws for the purpose of encouraging trade or investment; “

Pertaining to Labor:
“Specifically, in the TPP we are seeking:
Requirements to adhere to fundamental labor rights as recognized by the International Labor Organization, as well as acceptable conditions of work, subject to the same dispute settlement mechanism as other obligations in TPP;

Rules that will ensure that TPP countries do not waive or derogate from labor laws in a manner that affects trade or investment, including in free trade zones, and that they take initiatives to discourage trade in goods produced by forced labor;”


This is empty rhetoric. It is “lacking in sincerity or meaningful content”

It does not say that the agreement will include any of these wonderful things, only that they will “seek” them.

Will they insist that these good things be included before it’s signed, HELL NO.

Let me know when you can assure me that the agreement will protect the environment, labor, and all of our concerns.
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From what I gather, Newest Reality Jan 2015 #1
"subject to the same dispute settlement mechanism as other obligations in TPP" nenagh Jan 2015 #2
If people could only understand that what that means is not good for America JDPriestly Jan 2015 #4
The second paragraph- commitments to effectively enforce domestic environmental laws... nenagh Feb 2015 #7
The terrible catch is that a court that does not answer to our Congress or to us as a people JDPriestly Feb 2015 #13
Wonderful reply. nenagh Feb 2015 #15
Does that mean that corporate lawyers on their corporate court get to decide? stillwaiting Feb 2015 #8
I've just read the portion of the TPP from the above... nenagh Feb 2015 #9
Opposition to the TPP becomes very easy for me when considering ISDS. stillwaiting Feb 2015 #10
"It's like the beginning stages of a nightmarish dystopic sci-fi film." Dragonfli Feb 2015 #17
Exactly. nt Mnemosyne Jan 2015 #3
Thanks for posting and the links. Bookmark. JEB Jan 2015 #5
The melding of corporation and state. Ruling class government corporate corruption extraordinaire. L0oniX Jan 2015 #6
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #11
kick navarth Feb 2015 #12
Why do they have to 'seek' any of this? We HAVE LAWS, period. Clearly the rhetoric is telling us sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #14
I know of one Duer that not only uses this rhetoric as "proof" of the Benevolence of the TTP Dragonfli Feb 2015 #16
Thank you very much for that. How refreshing to hear after coming from threads that rhett o rick Feb 2015 #18
I saw one OP that tried Quixotically to discuss the root cause of the mistaken beliefs Dragonfli Feb 2015 #19
I very much share your fears. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #21
Rec the OP and wish I could rec 1, 13, 16, 18, 19... (nt) antiquie Feb 2015 #20
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