Populist Reform of the Democratic Party

Amimnoch

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60. hypocrisy, obfuscation, and faux poutrage.

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:19 PM

Jun 2016

A politician that conforms to the will of the people. That is Hillary Clinton.

She was also not the rogue Democrat in the US Senate that conformed to the overwhelming will of the people (72-73% supported that war). She was a Senator from New York, the state that was still reeling from the effects of the tragedy of 9/11 and the ridiculous mania that followed it. The people she represented was eating up having our rights being restricted, and to this day there's still a large number of dumbasses who believe that Iraq actually had something to do with 9/11.

Look at this list:
Bayh, Evan (D-IN)
Baucus, Max (D-MT)
Biden, Joseph (D-DE)
Breaux, John (D-LA)
Cantwell, Maria (D-WA)
Carnahan, Jean (D-MO)
Carper, Thomas (D-DE)
Cleland, Max (D-GA)
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY)
Daschle, Tom (D-SD)
Dodd, Chris (D-CT)
Dorgan, Byron (D-ND)
Edwards, John (D-NC)
Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA)
Harkin, Tom (D-IA)
Hollings, Ernest (D-SC)
Johnson, Tim (D-SD)
Kerry, John (D-MA)
Kohl, Herb (D-WI)
Landrieu, Mary (D-LA)
Lieberman, Joseph (D-CT)
Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR)
Miller, Zell (D-GA)
Nelson, Ben (D-NE)
Nelson, Bill (D-FL)
Reid, Harry (D-NV)
Rockefeller, Jay (D-WV)
Schumer, Chuck (D-NY)
Torricelli, Robert (D-NJ)

How many people, last year were hoping for Biden to jump in? Funny I don't recall anyone jumping on his vote.

I challenge anyone who has made claims that THIS is their main reason for not supporting Hillary to show me their post from 2004 when John Kerry was running for president condemning him for his Iraq war vote? Please do show me where I'm wrong.

Oh, 2004 is too long ago? How about any of you righteous crusaders of St. Bernard show me where your 2008 post condemning John Edwards vote is?

In 2003, 72-73% of Americans supported that fucking war, and 58% of sitting Democratic Party Senators were a "yes" on that vote. Yet Hillary is the only one anyone seems to have issue with... but sure, that's the "reason".

It's ridiculously touted that Bernie is some kind of righteous crusader for having voted against the war.. He was a representative of Vermont, he was no leader, and likely his own constituency supported his vote... Just like Hillary's supported hers. Had he been a Senator of New York at the time, and voted against the hugely popular measure at the time, THAT would have been revolutionary!

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THE HARD CHOICE [View all] rhett o rick Jun 2016 OP

Because you can't accept her admission about being wrong, doesn't diminish the fact that she said it tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1

Best case is she was wrong. That means she has terrible judgement. That's her best case. Scuba Jun 2016 #2

That means she has terrible judgement. That's her best case. AlbertCat Jun 2016 #13

Then so do all the other Senators on the list treestar Jun 2016 #64

Agreed. Scuba Jun 2016 #66

People over 55 remember lies fbc Jun 2016 #5

It wasn't all of us. cannabis_flower Jun 2016 #27

I'm over 55 too and didn't fall for the lies. I've always voted dem. mudstump Jun 2016 #35

I'm 74 and remember millions of people marching worldwide WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2016 #52

And I was one of the marchers! ReRe Jun 2016 #70

And our Senators and Congressmen now enjoy a nine% approval rating. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #73

Me too. On all counts. Except for Dennis. But only because Dennis was already eliminated before the Enthusiast Jun 2016 #71

before Reagan, college was free in Cali. thanks for endorsing Reagan. ish of the hammer Jun 2016 #10

The world has changed since then jmowreader Jun 2016 #46

yes, you are right, the rich are getting even more rich, the MIC commands even more of our ish of the hammer Jun 2016 #62

Massive plus one! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #76

AND the jobs for the future are getting more expensive to train people to do jmowreader Jun 2016 #86

no, you need to lower or eliminate education costs, you need single payer health larkrake Jun 2016 #89

I'd be happy with "as good as". which we do not have, ish of the hammer Jun 2016 #97

What does that mean, jmowreader? ReRe Jun 2016 #72

I'm 73. Tuition was low and health care insurance was mostly non-profit and thus cheaper when I was JDPriestly Jun 2016 #11

+1000 denvine Jun 2016 #20

+ 1001 nt abelenkpe Jun 2016 #33

We have lost so much, so sad. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2016 #53

And the military actions have only enriched the few already wealthy while destabilizing Enthusiast Jun 2016 #78

+1,002 ReRe Jun 2016 #54

Anything other than laissez-faire dog-eat-dog unfettered capitalism klook Jun 2016 #57

Right on! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #79

+1 a whole bunch. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #77

She didnt sound sincere in the least larkrake Jun 2016 #23

That is one of my biggest problems with her Scalded Nun Jun 2016 #37

Of course it's not a risk to follow Bernie's policies WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2016 #74

You pretty much nailed it. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #80

That is one of the things that has always seemed apparent to me, but japple Jun 2016 #100

Where the hell are you guys coming from? April 2016 and 800+ posts? Phlem Jun 2016 #41

Well said! bearssoapbox Jun 2016 #51

Hear, hear, hear, hear and Hear!!!! eom ReRe Jun 2016 #68

Huge +1! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #82

Thank you Phlem larkrake Jun 2016 #88

You haven't heard anything from the GOP about Bernie being a pnwmom Jun 2016 #91

That's only part of it. murielm99 Jun 2016 #104

The world NEVER faced "communism everyday" basselope Jun 2016 #47

she "thought" she acted in good faith tk2kewl Jun 2016 #58

work for it like the rest of us.... ciaobaby Jun 2016 #81

""I thought I had' acted' in good faith'' Ichingcarpenter Jun 2016 #3

Everyone acts in good faith... OnyxCollie Jun 2016 #59

Fucking sickening. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #84

I doubt if the conservative Democrats would even read what you posted. Their life is simple, rhett o rick Jun 2016 #101

Perfect! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #83

Excellent post MissDeeds Jun 2016 #4

Well, fuck me. Hillary paid her dues, working for the party... Debbie, Nancy and all the loyal party Hoppy Jun 2016 #6

She paid her dues? WTF? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #17

yes, to join THAT club, you have to sell your soul larkrake Jun 2016 #25

Obama quote - 2008, "You're likable enough, Hillary." Hoppy Jun 2016 #75

always the gentleman, that Obama larkrake Jun 2016 #87

Many people who do not like Hillary also paid their dues. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #56

I think he was being sarcastic. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #106

Hat tip libodem Jun 2016 #7

She still doesn't explain her "hard" choices. She just flicks them away. marble falls Jun 2016 #8

She says she made a mistake, but what was the mistake? Putting corp profits before rhett o rick Jun 2016 #15

Or putting her time in to run for the inevitable run for the Oval? marble falls Jun 2016 #18

"mistake" = not haveing to accept responsiblilty Phlem Jun 2016 #43

Great post. KPN Jun 2016 #9

Hard Choices zalinda Jun 2016 #12

Her decisions are not personal, they are just business. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #16

HRC's Iraqi war vote Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2016 #14

But it's not just the "Iraqi war vote" Ferd Berfel Jun 2016 #22

there's a backstory to it that explains even her speech MisterP Jun 2016 #19

Hooo-kay. MH1 Jun 2016 #21

Now THERE'S an idea (your hint)! maddiemom Jun 2016 #24

I want whatever your taking. Ah to just always vote Democrat and not at all be bothered by rhett o rick Jun 2016 #30

+1 Spot on. Phlem Jun 2016 #44

When was the last time you saw a Republican presidential candidate MH1 Jun 2016 #113

First of all we are still in the Primary. Second, I wonder if you've ever gotten rhett o rick Jun 2016 #114

No lmbradford Jun 2016 #112

knr nt retrowire Jun 2016 #26

I only just discovered this group. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #28

Thanks. I hope this Group is a place where Progressive can discuss issues with rhett o rick Jun 2016 #108

Like Skinner said, get it outta your system.....nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #29

Yes and since he is the ruler of DU it's his way or the hiway. But how sad that you know so rhett o rick Jun 2016 #34

msanthrope.... democrank Jun 2016 #38

You seem to think "get it out of your system" is a reposnse to those who msanthrope Jun 2016 #55

In fairness then, Skinner should change the name of this place to ... GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #110

The PNACers were selling war in Iraq to Clinton in 1998. He LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #31

she repeated the 9-11 lies and there were 30 MILLION marching against it MisterP Jun 2016 #36

The Hillary bought into the lies defense is the worst LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #40

it's the Iran-Contra dilemma: if Reagan was complicit he should be removed, if he was uninvolved MisterP Jun 2016 #42

Oh Jesus, Nancy....She'd have her LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #48

almost every decision during the "Ronald" Reagan presidency was made through Joan Quigley MisterP Jun 2016 #49

She didn't "trust" them, she agreed with their agenda and has been aptly rewarded since. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #107

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #32

reform inside of the Democratic Party will be a slow process... NoMoreRepugs Jun 2016 #39

K&R! Thank you for this excellent post. Phlem Jun 2016 #45

It's EASY to go with the status quo felix_numinous Jun 2016 #50

Nice! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #85

hypocrisy, obfuscation, and faux poutrage. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #60

On a side tangent regarding that chart.. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #61

Right! Kerry in 2004 and Biden in 2008/12 treestar Jun 2016 #65

Very few people supported the war in Iraq, we all knew it was a lie from the start, only a few larkrake Jun 2016 #90

You are wrong. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #93

I dont consider poles as fact larkrake Jun 2016 #96

Climate deniers also decline to accept available evidence. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #99

In shock, many in Congress voted to go into Afghanistan larkrake Jun 2016 #92

Orly? It's the speech is it? Amimnoch Jun 2016 #94

Kerry is not in this primary larkrake Jun 2016 #95

So.. You have nothing. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #98

She was wrong. What does it matter how many others were wrong? She saw the rhett o rick Jun 2016 #105

"We only want to protect our women, what does it matter if we hate transgenders or not?" Amimnoch Jun 2016 #109

The years since that vote provide more context for it Babel_17 Jun 2016 #63

K&R ReRe Jun 2016 #67

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #69

I truly don't understand how politicians... Rockyj Jun 2016 #102

I honestly don't understand it either. How can Clinton-Sachs put MIC profits ahead of rhett o rick Jun 2016 #103

It's no wonder why she didnt name her book ... GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #111