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In reply to the discussion: THE HARD CHOICE [View all]MisterP
(23,730 posts)19. there's a backstory to it that explains even her speech
But was it? The truth about how Clinton came to support Bushs war (albeit with reservations), and how she has thought about it since, has always been shrouded in mystery. People assume that Clinton is playing politics, that she voted for the war to look tough or because Bush was popular and that she wont apologize now for fear of looking like a flip-flopper. Political observers scour her daily statements--her head-nodding, even, in one recent New York Times article--for clues to her thinking. Or they speculate about what she might do in the future. But the key to understanding Hillary Clintons foreign policy lies in the past. And, as one probes her inner circle and reconstructs her record, an alternative reading emerges: What if the hawkish Hillary of 2002 wasnt just motivated by political opportunism? What if she really believed in the war?
But, by 2002, some Clintonites seemed resigned to the inevitability of force as a solution. Iraq had been a persistent fly in the ointment during the latter years of the Clinton administration. Few things terrified the Clintonites more than the chemical and biological arsenal they were convinced Saddam possessed. Their phobia was illustrated in 1997, when Defense Secretary William Cohen appeared on television holding up a five-pound sack of sugar to illustrate how a small payload of Saddams anthrax could kill half of Washington. Late in his presidency, Bill Clinton told one interviewer that the thought of a crop-duster spraying biological agents over the National Mall literally keeps me awake at night. Thoughts like these led to an ever-more aggressive posture toward Saddam. In November 1998, the president signed the Iraq Liberation Act, making Saddams ouster a stated goal of U.S. policy for the first time; a few months later, Albright toured the Middle East explaining to Arab governments that the United States was serious about regime change. When Saddam kicked out U.N. weapons inspectors that year, Clinton ordered Operation Desert Fox, a four-day campaign of bombing and cruise-missile strikes. So long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world, he explained at the time. The credible threat to use force, and, when necessary, the actual use of force, is the surest way to contain Saddams weapons of mass destruction program, curtail his aggression, and prevent another gulf war.
More strikingly, Clinton even seemed to embrace the neocon notion that, by toppling Saddam, the United States might reshape the Middle East. Its going to take years to rebuild Iraq, he said.If we do this, we want it to be a secular democracy. We want it tobe a shared model for other Middle Eastern countries. We want to do what a lot of people in the administration honestly want, which is to have it shake the foundations of autocracy in the Middle East and promote more freedom and decency. Youve got to spend money and work hard and send people there to work over a long period of time. These could have been the words of Paul Wolfowitz. But, to Bill Clinton, this wasnt a blinkered fantasy--it was a legitimate and realistic U.S. foreign policy objective.
https://newrepublic.com/article/64828/hillarys-war
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Because you can't accept her admission about being wrong, doesn't diminish the fact that she said it
tonyt53
Jun 2016
#1
Best case is she was wrong. That means she has terrible judgement. That's her best case.
Scuba
Jun 2016
#2
Me too. On all counts. Except for Dennis. But only because Dennis was already eliminated before the
Enthusiast
Jun 2016
#71
before Reagan, college was free in Cali. thanks for endorsing Reagan.
ish of the hammer
Jun 2016
#10
yes, you are right, the rich are getting even more rich, the MIC commands even more of our
ish of the hammer
Jun 2016
#62
AND the jobs for the future are getting more expensive to train people to do
jmowreader
Jun 2016
#86
no, you need to lower or eliminate education costs, you need single payer health
larkrake
Jun 2016
#89
I'm 73. Tuition was low and health care insurance was mostly non-profit and thus cheaper when I was
JDPriestly
Jun 2016
#11
And the military actions have only enriched the few already wealthy while destabilizing
Enthusiast
Jun 2016
#78
I doubt if the conservative Democrats would even read what you posted. Their life is simple,
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#101
Well, fuck me. Hillary paid her dues, working for the party... Debbie, Nancy and all the loyal party
Hoppy
Jun 2016
#6
She says she made a mistake, but what was the mistake? Putting corp profits before
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#15
I want whatever your taking. Ah to just always vote Democrat and not at all be bothered by
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#30
First of all we are still in the Primary. Second, I wonder if you've ever gotten
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#114
Thanks. I hope this Group is a place where Progressive can discuss issues with
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#108
Yes and since he is the ruler of DU it's his way or the hiway. But how sad that you know so
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#34
it's the Iran-Contra dilemma: if Reagan was complicit he should be removed, if he was uninvolved
MisterP
Jun 2016
#42
almost every decision during the "Ronald" Reagan presidency was made through Joan Quigley
MisterP
Jun 2016
#49
She didn't "trust" them, she agreed with their agenda and has been aptly rewarded since. nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#107
Very few people supported the war in Iraq, we all knew it was a lie from the start, only a few
larkrake
Jun 2016
#90
She was wrong. What does it matter how many others were wrong? She saw the
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#105
"We only want to protect our women, what does it matter if we hate transgenders or not?"
Amimnoch
Jun 2016
#109
I honestly don't understand it either. How can Clinton-Sachs put MIC profits ahead of
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#103