We need to have a discussion about the rules

[LostOne4Ever]

16. You and I have had civil conversations before

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]Lets try to have one here. [/font]

You are smarter than this and we both know it. Words have meaning besides the 'literal' ones you keep quoting out of the dictionary.

One can be militant without literally perpetrating violence. One can score points in a relationship without literally having a score board. One can fight for their beliefs without literally throwing a punch. You get the point.

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]Yes, and slurs against a group often ignore that. The word "Queer" is often used as a slur against anyone from the LGBTQ community. It can also be used positively by people like me. Simple question, is it okay for a straight cis male to use that epitaph as an insult? Is it okay for a white man to call a black woman any racial slur? Does the fact that these words can have a huge number of perfectly fine uses make them any less a slur?[/font]

Also please stop playing the victim, and definitely stop comparing the current new atheist persecution complex with being a person of color or an LGBT.

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]What victim card? The only victim card I am playing is that I am receiving personal attacks when I have not attacked or insulted anyone. This is happening currently.

The rest of what I am using are examples and rhetorical questions (my favorite way to make a point).

Why can't we compare? Just because they are of different severities does not make them any less wrong. In LGBTQ issues there are people who oppose comparing what is happening to marriage equality to biracial marriage. What is the usual response from the LGBTQ community? That it is dumb to debate severity. What is wrong is wrong. I think the same applies here.[/font]

My sister is gay. She was beat up as a young child for her sexual orientation. She still lives in a state that will not recognize that she and her partner of 12 years deserve to be married if they so choose. My father is black and my mother is white. You don't know shit about racism. Getting your feelings hurt and running to the defense of atheists everywhere because one poster said some, not all, atheists can be as militant and as reactionary as the fundamentalist religious believers we all despise is no where even close to what real persecution is. And frankly it is damned offensive to suggest it in an emotionally laden post defending your inappropriate actions.

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]Other than knowing I am an asexual atheist what else do you know about me? Do you know my race? Do you know my gender? Do you know my sex? Maybe my last name is Jewish? Cause other than a single mentioning that I have issues with conforming with my gender that was assigned at birth (in the LGBT group) I am pretty sure I have never mentioned any of that. In fact, I have intentionally kept quiet about all those things so as to have people debate my ideas and not who I am on DU.

How do you know I don't know shit about racism?

And how does any of that make using a slur less wrong?

And did I not agree with said poster that some atheists could be militant? But I was explaining why it was a slur:[/font]

Yes there are militant jews, and militant atheists, but in both of these cases they are distorting the word in a hateful bigoted way against activists for both groups instead of just those that advocate or resort to violence.

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]Right there. Again words can have legitimate uses but they can also be used as slurs[/font]

Stop being a hypocrite as well. The Interfaith group is safe haven that just happens to be open to non-believers. The A&A safe haven does not specifically say all are welcome. And it is quite obvious that all are not. Personally and subjectively offensive material about religions and believers is posted there frequently. If a believer came in to the safe-haven and complained, what do you think the response has been? If you guess a shark attack and then banning the poster, you would be correct.

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]How am I being a hypocrite? When Justin long ago said he didn't like being called a certain word, I told him I believed in respect and would never use it against him. I have kept my oath.

What does A&A have to do with this? This is not A&A and I did not bring over a single grudge from there or religion because its against the rules here. This is not the anti-A&A or else it would say non-believers are welcome here. This is interfaith. We are supposed to work together and tolerate each other. I did not attack anyone, I defended myself. Against something that IS against the SOP.

And wouldn't the OPPOSITE of AA be the progressive persons of faith? I thought Interfaith was supposed to be "religion" but without all the snark and attacks because it was a safehaven group?[/font]

So you think it is offensive. Well bring it up in the Religion forum and let's all have another knock down drag out fight about dictionary definitions, common usage of terms, and reality where it belongs. It does not belong here. Can you not see that it is inappropriate to keep pushing your personal feelings into this safe haven? I object to most of the bullshit you new atheists push in the A&A safe haven, and I respect that it is your space to act, feel, and say what you will. I am a fucking non-believer and I did not find the post offensive. It was your own subjective emotional response. Please go work through that in another forum that is more suited for that.

[font style="font-family:papyrus,'Brush Script MT','comic sans MS',fantasy;" size=3 color=teal]No I don't see how it is inappropriate to be honest.

This is a safehaven, and I have not attacked anyone or violated the SoP or anything? What is it I have violated other than having an unpopular opinion? Is there a rule about no disagreeing that I don't know about? Is there a rule that attacks against atheists are okay even though it specifically says no criticizing non-belief and non-believers? Can I not even try and EXPLAIN my view on the subject?

Again, reread my post. Even though I was offended by the post...I never attacked him/her. I explained why I thought it was offensive and why many other atheists consider it a slur. That all, that it, and I have been attacked repeatedly for it and my font. The latter in particular I am perplexed by.

Yes you are a non-believer. But sometimes members of a group don't take offense at the same thing. Some african americans hate the n-word and never want it to be used again. Then there is the boondocks. Does that make it less of a slur?

I just don't see the rule I broke, I don't the offense I caused, and I don't see what I did wrong other than hold an unpopular opinion. And to be honest, I don't see why the OP of the original post did not get called out for actually breaking the SoP.

If you don't like what I am doing change the SoP/Rules and I will abide by them. But again I don't see where I did that.

However, I have been attacked over and over. I have been called a ninny who just discovered colors. I have been accused of bullying when I have not bullied anyone. I ask you, reread what I wrote. Then reread what they wrote. Who is the real disrupt-or here? I attacked nobody.

Ill be back later:



PS: I am not a "new" atheist. Most of my emotion comes defensively and not in an offensive effort to get people to give up religion.

PPS: The OP deleted their original message but through the miracle of Google Cache I was able to find it again:[/font]
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