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Htom Sirveaux

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36. Ok, here's how I would have judged the situation:

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 04:36 PM

Aug 2014

Did El bryanto bait the atheists? Yes.
Could the atheists have disengaged sooner? Yes.

Therefore, we have a situation of off-setting fouls. Each side should receive the same consequences, if there are any. That's what I've been arguing for.

As I understand everyone else, your position is that for certain atheist posters, their history justifies treating them more harshly than the above outcome. And I disagree with that. I think it is too hard to administer fairly. I think that when people come into this forum, they should be judged solely on the basis of what they post in here. Thus, the off-setting foul judgment rather than adding previous behavior to the atheist side.

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Well that's three. Three to go. [View all] el_bryanto Aug 2014 OP

As a non-theist who would self-identify my TM99 Aug 2014 #1

Except now we have a problem. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #2

I'm unlikely to apologize to them - so yes - I guess I should be banned. nt el_bryanto Aug 2014 #3

I wasn't thinking an apology from you specifically. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #12

An apology to who? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #14

To whoever was banned from this group as a result of el bryanto's Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #16

He was banned because of his own actions not anybody else's. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #17

I know you said that the SoP does not need to be rewritten Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #21

You know how to debate someone you disagree with civilly. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #22

Those last two sentences could be added to the SoP Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #23

This is an idea. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #24

I agree with adding the sentiment expressed by justin in his post. cbayer Aug 2014 #27

Too wordy. rug Aug 2014 #30

I agree with Thom about adding your last two lines to the SOP. cbayer Aug 2014 #25

I sent it to Kentauros to see his opinion on it. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #26

We won't be changing it kentauros Aug 2014 #84

That's fine. I understand your reasoning. cbayer Aug 2014 #86

So you think goblin's blocking was totally justified and stand by it? LostOne4Ever Aug 2014 #32

I personally did it. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #34

I see LostOne4Ever Aug 2014 #35

I think you are going to need a thread for those of us who demand to be blocked kdmorris Aug 2014 #60

I appreciate your standing with your friend but the answer is no. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #61

Maybe you don't hate him kdmorris Aug 2014 #66

I think you should leave this alone now. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #67

Justin, please consider ignoring all of this. Please. cbayer Aug 2014 #87

Will you all be singing kumbaya? rug Aug 2014 #64

You have got to be kidding…. or something. cbayer Aug 2014 #15

I wasn't going to participate in this thread, but this post is utter hogwash. cbayer Aug 2014 #4

I agree with every syllable of this. okasha Aug 2014 #6

The nub of the disagreement seems to be whether Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #7

Of course it should be taken into account. cbayer Aug 2014 #8

When is that aim determined? Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #10

I really don't get you at all at this point. cbayer Aug 2014 #13

That's unfortunate. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #19

I don't think you are being fair at all. cbayer Aug 2014 #20

I'm also having a wotthehell response to your post. okasha Aug 2014 #33

Ok, here's how I would have judged the situation: Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #36

Did you miss the first part of my post? okasha Aug 2014 #37

All I want is consistency. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #39

Let me repeat this, since it apparently isn't clear. okasha Aug 2014 #42

His point is that I should be blocked too. For my behavior in Interfaith el_bryanto Aug 2014 #43

Each of you has one instance of baiting that I've seen. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #45

How about if I self block - just agree not to post here anymore. Would that satisfy you? nt el_bryanto Aug 2014 #53

I've been out-voted. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #56

It would be morally wrong okasha Aug 2014 #59

Who are the other persons? Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #62

You're not any of them. okasha Aug 2014 #63

What you are ignoring is that he came into the room to bait and to disrupt. rug Aug 2014 #54

Mine too. okasha Aug 2014 #50

Ok, and what I'm saying is that in my opinion Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #44

I sincerely hope you're not telling me okasha Aug 2014 #47

He should have stopped after being assured that it really was homophobia. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #55

Yes, he should have. okasha Aug 2014 #57

I think we're pretty much done here. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #58

Do you think I would be welcome in AA? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #38

Probably not, but is that the right comparison? Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #40

My point is that I know I wouldn't and they knew their presence would be equally disruptive. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #41

You make a good point about the PMs. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #46

That doesn't mean your opinion doesn't count. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #48

Thanks, I appreciate that. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #49

Absolutely. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #51

However, you were also treated fairly by the hosts in AA LostOne4Ever Aug 2014 #65

I thank you for your standing with him but it is time to stop posting about this. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #68

If it is just going to be a few days then just block KD and I LostOne4Ever Aug 2014 #70

You know that is not going to happen. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #72

Then at the very least, please take our complaints under advisement. LostOne4Ever Aug 2014 #74

You are a worthy advocate and always welcome here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #76

TL;DR and what does your post have to do with this Group's SoP? rug Aug 2014 #69

I prefer to be Octavious (nt) LostOne4Ever Aug 2014 #71

You're acting more like the subject of a piece by Juvenal. rug Aug 2014 #73

Ok, I'm confused. stone space Aug 2014 #88

Good question. okasha Aug 2014 #89

Too bad I don't think it is a sincere question LostOne4Ever Aug 2014 #90

Ask him. okasha Aug 2014 #91

Why? All that will do is cause a fight. LostOne4Ever Aug 2014 #92

Seriously? stone space Aug 2014 #93

Leader might be stretching it - but he is held up as the "representative" atheist by some believers el_bryanto Aug 2014 #94

It's only reciently that... stone space Aug 2014 #95

My introduction to Dawkins was from DU and Bill Maher. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #96

Atheism is not a faith. rug Aug 2014 #52

A "ghetto", eh? Perhaps you're right... TreasonousBastard Aug 2014 #31

I didn't know you were a Quaker. kentauros Aug 2014 #83

I say ghetto because this group was suggested and promoted by the very people cbayer Aug 2014 #85

Agreed. TM99 Aug 2014 #11

Only one member was blocked, kentauros Aug 2014 #5

Then that person should be unblocked. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #9

How about you go there and ask if they want an apology? rug Aug 2014 #29

Actually, you only get 2 more before you get banned from the site. cbayer Aug 2014 #18

El Bryanto, friend. I hope you can get beyond No Vested Interest Aug 2014 #28

I want to make something clear. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #75

Gee, I don't know. rug Aug 2014 #77

I prefer fruit for my bait LostOne4Ever Aug 2014 #78

No offense. rug Aug 2014 #79

None taken (nt) LostOne4Ever Aug 2014 #80

Well I think it was honestly said but the members of AA have to realize we can discuss him hrmjustin Aug 2014 #81

consensus of the hosts is to leave the SOP alone. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #82