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Fortinbras Armstrong

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31. You have to admire the sheer chutzpah

Reply to Manifestor_of_Light (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 06:26 AM

Aug 2013

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Of someone who says "I am not a member of this religion, but I can determine who is a member and who is not, determined by some arbitrary criteria I have set up".

When I said "A Christian is one who believes in Christ," you asked me "Which Christ?" I would reply, "Which one do you want?" We Christians have been arguing this one for literally centuries. No, as I said, a Christian is one who believes in Christ, not one who accepts two specific theological opinions.

You seem to think that "original sin" refers to a specific act of disobedience by two mythical persons. At least as far back as Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century, original sin was seen as a basic flaw in human nature -- see the Summa Theologica, I-II, q 82 art 4. Similarly, Christians have been arguing about the meaning and nature of "atonement" for nearly two millennia. Do you want me to expand on either of those points?

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What is the definition of a Christian? [View all] Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2013 OP

I thought "Christians" were people who followed Jesus, AKA the Prophet Isa. MADem Aug 2013 #1

I was making Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2013 #2

Well, the bottom line is, if I say I'm a ballet dancer, I'm a ballet dancer. MADem Aug 2013 #20

I am gad that you have posted your question here and suspect you will get cbayer Aug 2013 #3

A Christian is a believer who believes Jesus Christ is the Jewish Messiah and is the son of God come hrmjustin Aug 2013 #4

The Apostles' Creed okasha Aug 2013 #5

+1 rug Aug 2013 #9

I read the thread you cited in the thread header Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2013 #6

Which Christ? Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2013 #7

If you knew how the Bible was edited, okasha Aug 2013 #8

You seriously misunderstand Christian teaching. rug Aug 2013 #10

I've always wanted to poke holes in the arguments against the Bible, kentauros Aug 2013 #11

The insistence on giving equal weight to every word okasha Aug 2013 #12

We celebrate the Jesus of the bible and our traditions. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #13

Or the one who rode dinosaurs, while you're at it? MADem Aug 2013 #21

Why do you need to be "saved" in the first place? Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2013 #14

Well it came from the idea that since we know right from wrong we chose to rebel against God hrmjustin Aug 2013 #15

Yep, original sin and substitionary atonement. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2013 #16

I don't believe in Adam and Eve but yes it is the idea that people from the time we first were on hrmjustin Aug 2013 #17

Actually, gods that are "very similar to the story of Jesus" okasha Aug 2013 #28

Actually, okasha Aug 2013 #18

This is probably not the best place to call a belief "ridiculous"... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #19

I agree--nothing wrong with hashing out differences of opinion, but it's best if MADem Aug 2013 #22

You're not "the decider," though, MoL. MADem Aug 2013 #23

I'm not saying these are bad people. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2013 #24

I am simply asking you to choose your words carefully. MADem Aug 2013 #25

I am choosing my words carefully. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2013 #26

The Mormons. But see, there you go again! MADem Aug 2013 #27

I've been a UU for decades. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2013 #29

Your comments support my point. MADem Aug 2013 #30

You have to admire the sheer chutzpah Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2013 #31

No, you don't. okasha Aug 2013 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Tumbulu Aug 2013 #33