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In reply to the discussion: Oh, my. "Meet the face of (Colorado's) pro-gun recall campaigns" [View all]jimmy the one
(2,717 posts)excop: These cases are all cited by Miller and support the conclusion of Miller, which was a sawed off shotgun, having no relation to arms used in the military service, was not protected {by 2ndA}. Nowhere did it indicate that it was a collective right instead of an individual right, and no amount of revisionist editing will change that.
Revisionist editing? you've a lot of nerve since your whole argument is revisionist history; but it matters nowt coming from a clear disciple of the 2nd Amendment Mythology Bible.
.. re your 3 cases, I see what you're driving at but it's an invalid red herring; simply because the 3 courts (might've) agreed in principle with miller - that only certain firearms were allowable for well reg'd militias - does not mean the courts concurrently felt that 2ndA was thus an individual rkba - by some kind of convoluted dialectic reasoning - that is absurd.
.. the 3 courts may have agreed with the principle that a sawed off shotgun was not necessary for the maintenance of a well reg'd militia, but this is just supportive opinion prior to the miller case, & anything else the 3 cases might infer apparently have no bearing on the miller decision.
I don't even understand why you cite them, they don't argue for an individual 2ndA interpretation, just for state's rkbas, which might convey individual rights.
Except for fife: .. you cited 'fife v arkansas' - here is the final disposition of the case, and it clearly supports that of the miller collective militia view, per the state of arkansas.
fife v ark.: The indications in the evidence are, that the plaintiff {fife} in error was carrying a pistol of that class or character intended to be prohibited by the {arkansas} Legislature, and which we think may be prohibited, in the exercise of the police power of the State without any infringement of the constitutional right of the citizens of the State to keep and bear arms for their common defense. http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndcourt/state/130st.htm
Arkansas at the time, 1876, clearly granted a militia based rkba:.. present Constitution of this {arkansas} State, declares that: "The citizens of this State shall have the right to keep and bear arms for their common defense."