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ExCop-LawStudent

(147 posts)
20. That's not a logical position
Fri May 24, 2013, 08:26 PM
May 2013

Obscenity, which includes child pornography, has always been unprotected. On the other hand, the other books you wish to ban are protected by the First Amendment. Once you start banning legitimate books, you start on a slippery slope. There have been thousands of regimes that have banned books--but none that were free.

Registering militia is much different from registering their rifle, which was not done in 1791.

I actually do believe that the NFA is unconstitutional, based on this statement by the Supreme Court: "In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a "shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length" at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense." United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174, 178 (1939).

Even the Heller decision was ambiguous in this regard, but subtly so. Justice Scalia noted that "dangerous and unusual weapons" could be banned. District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 627 (2008). He supported this with a string cite which included an interesting case, English v. State, 35 Tex. 473, 476 (1871). English supports Scalia's statement with an interesting explanation. It states:

No kind of travesty, however subtle or ingenious, could so misconstrue this provision of the Constitution of the United States, as to make it cover and protect that pernicious vice, from which so many murders, assassinations, and deadly assaults have sprung, and which it was doubtless the intention of the Legislature to punish and prohibit. The word "arms" in the connection we find it in the Constitution of the United States, refers to the arms of a militiaman or soldier, and the word is used in its military sense. The arms of the infantry soldier are the musket and bayonet; of cavalry and dragoons, the sabre, holster pistols and carbine; of the artillery, the field piece, siege gun, and mortar, with side arms.


Id.

English then goes on to define the dangerous and unusual weapons as "dirks, daggers, slingshots, sword canes, brass knuckles and bowie knives. . . ." Id. at 477. Of course, none of those have any use in the military - just like Miller's sawed-off shotgun was not a weapon with a military use. It's funny that Scalia would put that in the opinion, listing all the "normal" weapons of the military as being appropriate for the militia.

You know, if the Second Amendment is antiquated, there is a way to fix it. It is known as amending the Constitution. That's the only way.

I don't carry a brief for the Tea Party loons, nor the zealots on any particular side of the political spectrum, from the sovereign citizen whackjobs to the loony left. I don't like any of 'em. As to the protection against tyranny? Sure, I believe that - at some possible point in the distant future. We're not there, and the wingnuts that say were are have a screw loose. I just don't want any of my rights to be violated.

Too many gun nuts like that guy. That's what guns on demand has done to our society. Hoyt Apr 2013 #1
Cave boy, probably lives with his mother. Kingofalldems Apr 2013 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #3
and access to deadly weapons..... lastlib Apr 2013 #4
looks like an ak47 jimmy the one Apr 2013 #5
99.9% of folks here really dont give a damn what the precise nomenclature for his lethal weapons or Hoyt Apr 2013 #6
+1 freshwest Apr 2013 #7
calm down hoyt jimmy the one Apr 2013 #8
Well that's a good approach -- Only allow elephant guns that knock you on your ass with first shot. Hoyt Apr 2013 #9
teamwork jimmy the one Apr 2013 #11
you are a bit off on the metal slanting thing Travis_0004 Apr 2013 #12
It is an AK ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #14
going gunny again for a bit jimmy the one May 2013 #15
Reply ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #16
caliber not that important jimmy the one May 2013 #17
Differences ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #18
I do support book bans jimmy the one May 2013 #19
That's not a logical position ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #20
war of 1812 no shows jimmy the one May 2013 #21
If you sincerely believe that billh58 May 2013 #28
"..down the hall and to the Far Right." Heheheheh! nt Pholus May 2013 #29
Sure, if all you want to hear is ... ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #30
Pimping your blog billh58 May 2013 #32
Whatever. ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #33
Is he related to this guy? SunSeeker Apr 2013 #10
where is the mental bleach when I need it??? niyad May 2013 #13
1939 miller was 8-0 unanimous jimmy the one May 2013 #22
Miller supports individual, not collective, rights ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #23
Welcome back billh58 May 2013 #24
Huh? ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #25
Okey dokey billh58 May 2013 #26
There seems to be a lot of pro-gun posters who espouse NRA talking points but claim to be not NRA coldmountain May 2013 #27
Yeah---funny how many of these "reasonable" RKBA Absolutists have turned up, lately. Paladin May 2013 #36
It's so obvious that billh58 May 2013 #37
They've been turning up in clusters for years, here at DU. Paladin May 2013 #39
Well, the gun porn people have hijacked another thread. n/t JimDandy May 2013 #31
joseph story on the militia jimmy the one May 2013 #34
state cases jimmy the one May 2013 #35
sawed off reasoning jimmy the one May 2013 #38
It's fucking idiots like that who have serious mental issues that should not own guns. madinmaryland May 2013 #40
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