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jimmy the one

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17. caliber not that important
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:44 AM
May 2013

excop: As to lethality, you are ignoring the difference in caliber. The 7.62x39mm round has a lot more stopping power at close range than the 5.56mm round.

Affecting lethality, the ar15's smaller caliber doesn't matter that much compared with the ak47. Lethality is if the target dies, not instantly but within a few minutes or even later.
The ak47 with the larger bullet (twice as heavy) has greater stopping power in it will stop (immediately bring down) hunt animals & people, better than the ar15, but the ar15 might leave it's target up & walking about while mortally wounded, bleeding out for instance. Taking into account more accurate shooting, the ar15 would work better for mass shooters (which is why I support banning ar15s, as well as ak47s et al).
The ar15 bullet (0.223fmj) tends to fragment into two a few inches after penetration, & can cause cavitation in each of the two wound patterns, causing twice as much internal damage to surrounding tissue as the ak's 7.62. The 7.62 will not fragment as readily as the .223 (tho it can of course, hitting bone etc), leaving one wound pattern. 7.62 can cause cavitation of course.

The recoil difference you mention is negligible.

If the 1962 test remains fairly valid, 33% more recoil in the ak47 is 'negligible'? a third more doesn't seem to fit the realm of negligible, and it's a cumulative effect, per bullets fired.

Were I to chose a weapon for close in lethality, hands down the choice would be the AK.

Fine, but you realize a solid portion, if not most, of shooters would take the ar15 or m16, don't you? lighter weight is a boon.

Too many gun nuts like that guy. That's what guns on demand has done to our society. Hoyt Apr 2013 #1
Cave boy, probably lives with his mother. Kingofalldems Apr 2013 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #3
and access to deadly weapons..... lastlib Apr 2013 #4
looks like an ak47 jimmy the one Apr 2013 #5
99.9% of folks here really dont give a damn what the precise nomenclature for his lethal weapons or Hoyt Apr 2013 #6
+1 freshwest Apr 2013 #7
calm down hoyt jimmy the one Apr 2013 #8
Well that's a good approach -- Only allow elephant guns that knock you on your ass with first shot. Hoyt Apr 2013 #9
teamwork jimmy the one Apr 2013 #11
you are a bit off on the metal slanting thing Travis_0004 Apr 2013 #12
It is an AK ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #14
going gunny again for a bit jimmy the one May 2013 #15
Reply ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #16
caliber not that important jimmy the one May 2013 #17
Differences ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #18
I do support book bans jimmy the one May 2013 #19
That's not a logical position ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #20
war of 1812 no shows jimmy the one May 2013 #21
If you sincerely believe that billh58 May 2013 #28
"..down the hall and to the Far Right." Heheheheh! nt Pholus May 2013 #29
Sure, if all you want to hear is ... ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #30
Pimping your blog billh58 May 2013 #32
Whatever. ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #33
Is he related to this guy? SunSeeker Apr 2013 #10
where is the mental bleach when I need it??? niyad May 2013 #13
1939 miller was 8-0 unanimous jimmy the one May 2013 #22
Miller supports individual, not collective, rights ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #23
Welcome back billh58 May 2013 #24
Huh? ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #25
Okey dokey billh58 May 2013 #26
There seems to be a lot of pro-gun posters who espouse NRA talking points but claim to be not NRA coldmountain May 2013 #27
Yeah---funny how many of these "reasonable" RKBA Absolutists have turned up, lately. Paladin May 2013 #36
It's so obvious that billh58 May 2013 #37
They've been turning up in clusters for years, here at DU. Paladin May 2013 #39
Well, the gun porn people have hijacked another thread. n/t JimDandy May 2013 #31
joseph story on the militia jimmy the one May 2013 #34
state cases jimmy the one May 2013 #35
sawed off reasoning jimmy the one May 2013 #38
It's fucking idiots like that who have serious mental issues that should not own guns. madinmaryland May 2013 #40
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