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jimmy the one

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15. going gunny again for a bit
Sun May 19, 2013, 08:49 AM
May 2013

excopLS: Both the AK and the ARs use flash suppressors, not compensators. Neither round has a lot of recoil in semi-automatic fire, both climb in fully-automatic fire.

wiki says newer AKs have compensators/muzzle brakes, do ARs? (I post this to demonstrate why ar15s should be banned, not to glorify the damn things. Note there are subtle differences between ar15 & m16 tho, where m16 is military version & ar15 civilian version of same assault rifle).

excopLS: Neither gun has much recoil, and one can fire both at about the same rate and close-range accuracy. The difference wouldn't have been that great in lethality.

Haven't convinced me, I think the m16 is more accurate & faster firing at closer ranges (thus more lethal), than the ak47 with the heavier bullet (dunno much about ak74 characteristics, tho I know of it etc);

wiki: The M16's straight-line recoil design, direct impingement gas operation system and smaller caliber gives it less recoil than the AK-47 and makes it easier to control in full-auto. The stock being in line with the bore also reduces muzzle rise, especially during automatic fire.
Because {m16} recoil does not significantly shift the point of aim, faster follow-up shots are possible and user fatigue is reduced .
(AK47): However, the AK-47's heavier weight and slower rate-of-fire do a good job at mitigating any disadvantage. In addition, newer AK-47 type rifles use a muzzle brake or compensator to reduce recoil. And, some AK type rifles also have vertical foregrips to improve handling characteristics and to counter the effects of recoil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#Recoil

I shot the 3 rd burst feature (per one trigger pull) on the m16 once, & the recoil was hardly anything I recall, so there'd be even less recoil when lanza shot off 3 shots per 3 separate trigger pulls taking a half second longer (eh, debateable I suppose). (the '3 round burst' feature on the m16 is automatic 'select' fire & disallowed on ar15s & other civilian assault rifles, so lanza didn't have it). The US Army concluded that 3-shot groups provide an optimum combination of ammunition conservation, accuracy and firepower.

wiki says ~33% higher recoil momentum in ak47, 40 ftlbs v 54:
Free Recoil,momentum(transferred to shooter)> M16 40.4 ft-lbs- AK-47 54.3 ft-lbs
Penetration: Vests 0–400 m> M16 Acceptable- AK47 Acceptable
vests 400–600 m> M16 Acceptable- AK47 Unacceptable
Semiautomatic fire 0–400 m> M16 Superior, AK47 Unacceptable
400–600 m> M16 Acceptable, AK47 Unacceptable
-- edit, old stats, 1962, eh

Too many gun nuts like that guy. That's what guns on demand has done to our society. Hoyt Apr 2013 #1
Cave boy, probably lives with his mother. Kingofalldems Apr 2013 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #3
and access to deadly weapons..... lastlib Apr 2013 #4
looks like an ak47 jimmy the one Apr 2013 #5
99.9% of folks here really dont give a damn what the precise nomenclature for his lethal weapons or Hoyt Apr 2013 #6
+1 freshwest Apr 2013 #7
calm down hoyt jimmy the one Apr 2013 #8
Well that's a good approach -- Only allow elephant guns that knock you on your ass with first shot. Hoyt Apr 2013 #9
teamwork jimmy the one Apr 2013 #11
you are a bit off on the metal slanting thing Travis_0004 Apr 2013 #12
It is an AK ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #14
going gunny again for a bit jimmy the one May 2013 #15
Reply ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #16
caliber not that important jimmy the one May 2013 #17
Differences ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #18
I do support book bans jimmy the one May 2013 #19
That's not a logical position ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #20
war of 1812 no shows jimmy the one May 2013 #21
If you sincerely believe that billh58 May 2013 #28
"..down the hall and to the Far Right." Heheheheh! nt Pholus May 2013 #29
Sure, if all you want to hear is ... ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #30
Pimping your blog billh58 May 2013 #32
Whatever. ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #33
Is he related to this guy? SunSeeker Apr 2013 #10
where is the mental bleach when I need it??? niyad May 2013 #13
1939 miller was 8-0 unanimous jimmy the one May 2013 #22
Miller supports individual, not collective, rights ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #23
Welcome back billh58 May 2013 #24
Huh? ExCop-LawStudent May 2013 #25
Okey dokey billh58 May 2013 #26
There seems to be a lot of pro-gun posters who espouse NRA talking points but claim to be not NRA coldmountain May 2013 #27
Yeah---funny how many of these "reasonable" RKBA Absolutists have turned up, lately. Paladin May 2013 #36
It's so obvious that billh58 May 2013 #37
They've been turning up in clusters for years, here at DU. Paladin May 2013 #39
Well, the gun porn people have hijacked another thread. n/t JimDandy May 2013 #31
joseph story on the militia jimmy the one May 2013 #34
state cases jimmy the one May 2013 #35
sawed off reasoning jimmy the one May 2013 #38
It's fucking idiots like that who have serious mental issues that should not own guns. madinmaryland May 2013 #40
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