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jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
50. 1950 = wrong census
Thu May 9, 2013, 11:19 AM
May 2013

marble falls: Right. From 50% ownership in the 1950's to 37% currently. But population.... has grown and there are now more people and more powerful guns now than in the 1950's as a total number vs the percentage of ownership.
2012 population - 313,000,000 x 37% = 115,000,000
1959 population - 150,000,000 x 50% = 75,000,000


Has nowt to do with rates of gundeath, comparatively; your 115 million current gunowners (2013) is a high estimate, average estimate is around 100 million, indicating the 37% gunowner rate the culprit, & other estimates nearer 30 - 33% more accurate.

marblefalls: 1959 population - 150,000,000 x 50% = 75,000,000

You took the 1950 census & applied it to 1959, can you see where you went wrong? or did you do that on purpose to 'lessen' gun ownership in 1959?
The 1960 census would be closer to 1959 population, & voila wiki: {1960} 179,323,175, an increase of 18.5% over 151,325,798 persons enumerated during 1950 Census.

Year--Popu --------Total----Viol --Property -Murder-Rape -Robb--assault-Burg-Theft-GTA
1960 179,323,175 -1,887.2 -160.9 -1,726.3 ---5.1 -9.6 --60.1 --86.1 -508.6 -1,034.7 -183.0
2011 311,591,917 -3,295.0 - 386.3 -2,908.7 -4.7 -26.8 -113. -241.1 -702.2 -1.976.9 -229.6
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Compare violent crime rates above from 1960 (you cited 1959, close enough) and only the murder rate in 2011 is lower than 1960, tho at parity. Violent crime rate today is ~2.5 times higher than 1960, when the gun craze begin to gain momentum.

Using my 'updated' 1960 population, round to 180 mill (x 50% rate of gunowners then), thus 1960 gunownership increases to about 90 million compared with your figure of 75 million.
2013 population 310m minus 1960 pop 180m leaves 130 million increase in pop since 1960, and currently ~100m gunowners, less 90m in 1960 for an increase of 10 million gunowners since 1960, which also means an increase of 120m NON gunowers since 1960.
sub conclusion>> From 1960 to 2013 there has been an increase of 10 million gunowners as well as an increase of 120 million NONgunowners. THIS is what we're talking about, the gun ownership rate hasn't kept up with popu increases.

Using your figure of 115 million current gunowers would make a gunowner increase of 35m since 1960, with an increase of 95m NONgunowners, still a 3-1 increase in non-gunowners (~25% gunowner incr).
That is why gunownership is not keeping up with population growth.

That's good. I hope it continues to fall. nt ZombieHorde May 2013 #1
We're still in the stratosphere when compared to most other countries. Squinch May 2013 #2
No doubt. Three countries I can think of are as or more armed than the US .... marble falls May 2013 #3
Israel, Switzerland, and Canada are not as armed as we are. DanTex May 2013 #5
In both Israel and Switzerland anyone who serves in the armed forces..... marble falls May 2013 #10
Yes, but we have more guns per capita. DanTex May 2013 #16
Also funny how billh58 May 2013 #24
Why are gun suicides your big concern? Are you concerned with non-gun suicides as well? What Squinch May 2013 #6
It shows what a low priority we have for mental health, I am concerned about suicide by cop... marble falls May 2013 #11
Concerned as in you would like to see fewer guns in circulation so as to reduce suicides? Squinch May 2013 #13
Another NRA billh58 May 2013 #18
These are inconveniant facts, but they don't negate the need in lite of all the gun mayhem... marble falls May 2013 #23
No they are not billh58 May 2013 #25
Another example of billh58 May 2013 #28
I wouldn't get too excited yet rightsideout May 2013 #4
There are less shootings, period. Violence, according to the FBI has gone down. marble falls May 2013 #12
The number of shootings has increased in the last decade. DanTex May 2013 #17
FBI says otherwise: marble falls May 2013 #19
Sigh. Again, violent crime and shootings are not the same thing. DanTex May 2013 #20
see marble falls May 2013 #21
So you are saying that the CDC stats are false. Am I understanding you correctly? DanTex May 2013 #22
So you are saying the FBI is making it up. Am I understanding you correctly? marble falls May 2013 #26
For the third time, "violent crime" and "shootings" are not the same thing. DanTex May 2013 #27
NRA apologists billh58 May 2013 #30
Facts you don't like? Try these: marble falls May 2013 #38
Tell Uncle Wayne billh58 May 2013 #43
The CDC says otherwise rightsideout May 2013 #31
You do know you keep linking to this story which requires a subscription to see? pipoman May 2013 #37
Let's bring it to zero mwrguy May 2013 #7
Then how come gun nuts want everyone to be armed to the teeth? TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #8
Um.... because they're gun nuts? Because like the article says, the public percieves... marble falls May 2013 #14
Holy Shit! The NRA had better get right on this. Turbineguy May 2013 #9
Nice try billh58 May 2013 #15
Rubbish. And has been proven so repeatedly. Robb May 2013 #29
Exactly rightsideout May 2013 #32
Over the last decade or so there is a definite plateau. n/t ellisonz May 2013 #34
Gun porn in the gun control group Kingofalldems May 2013 #33
There's some fine education going on upthread. ellisonz May 2013 #36
So if the general argument is correct, gun control clearly works! ellisonz May 2013 #35
While at the same time AR-15's and SK-47's and banana clips were made legal. marble falls May 2013 #39
Jared Lee Loughner, Adam Lanza, and James Holmes all used weapons or clips... ellisonz May 2013 #53
have a cup of swiss myth jimmy the one May 2013 #40
Try this: marble falls May 2013 #41
the bigger picture jimmy the one May 2013 #42
From CBS, LA Times, USA Today .... got more if you need it...... marble falls May 2013 #44
Are you going to address woundings Robb May 2013 #45
Gun violence includes woundings. I haven't repeated anything. All links are origional.... marble falls May 2013 #46
So should we just do what the NRA tells us? Kingofalldems May 2013 #49
but gun ownership has declined those years jimmy the one May 2013 #47
Right. From 50% ownership in the 1950's to 37% currently. But population.... marble falls May 2013 #48
1950 = wrong census jimmy the one May 2013 #50
bullshit. Suicide IS gun violence. bowens43 May 2013 #51
Suicide by gun is most definately violence. marble falls May 2013 #52
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