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In reply to the discussion: Rate Of U.S. Gun Violence Has Fallen Since 1993, Study Says [View all]jimmy the one
(2,717 posts)42. the bigger picture
Gun violence in US has fallen dramatically over past 20 years, Justice Dept. report finds.. Murders committed with a gun dropped 39% to 11,101 in 2011, from a high of 18,253 in 1993, according to the report.
Certainly gun murder & rates dropped dramatically over the past 20 years, after RISING dramatically the previous 30 years when the national gunstock tripled & rose from 75 millions to ~225 millions, ~1963 - 1993;
Imagine a bell curve with 1963 to the extreme left & 2012 to the right, with a large upward bump in the middle representing gun murders, THAT is the BULGE which the huge increase in total guns has caused, & it has now, 2013, settled back down to 1963 rates (~3/100k) after reaching about 7/100k about 1993. (And medical treatment for gunshot wounds has improved thus saving more lives now than was possible in 20th century).
Put in perspective, 1963 - 1993 gunstock tripled, gun murder doubled.
1993 - 2013 gunstock increased ~50%, gunmurders decreased by ~half.
Like cattle thieves bragging 'we don't steal cattle as much as we did 30 years ago! we've decreased cattle rustling by 50% but boy have we got rich by selling what we stole the past 50 years!"
To take 1993 as a 'start point' dismisses the 30 year period prior, & makes a false conclusion that gunstock increases helped decrease gunmurder rates, when it was GUNSTOCK TRIPLING WHICH CAUSED MURDER RATES TO INCREASE TO RECORD LEVELS TO BEGIN WITH.
Other crimes committed with guns were down even more sharply from 1.53 million in 1993 to 467,300 in 2011, a drop of 70%..
Again, implying false credit to guns where none is due; violent crime rates remain near tripled today since early 60's, where national gunstock quadrupled from ~75 millions to ~300 millions. Guns were a large reason for increasing crime & murder.
Certainly gun murder & rates dropped dramatically over the past 20 years, after RISING dramatically the previous 30 years when the national gunstock tripled & rose from 75 millions to ~225 millions, ~1963 - 1993;
Imagine a bell curve with 1963 to the extreme left & 2012 to the right, with a large upward bump in the middle representing gun murders, THAT is the BULGE which the huge increase in total guns has caused, & it has now, 2013, settled back down to 1963 rates (~3/100k) after reaching about 7/100k about 1993. (And medical treatment for gunshot wounds has improved thus saving more lives now than was possible in 20th century).
Put in perspective, 1963 - 1993 gunstock tripled, gun murder doubled.
1993 - 2013 gunstock increased ~50%, gunmurders decreased by ~half.
Like cattle thieves bragging 'we don't steal cattle as much as we did 30 years ago! we've decreased cattle rustling by 50% but boy have we got rich by selling what we stole the past 50 years!"
To take 1993 as a 'start point' dismisses the 30 year period prior, & makes a false conclusion that gunstock increases helped decrease gunmurder rates, when it was GUNSTOCK TRIPLING WHICH CAUSED MURDER RATES TO INCREASE TO RECORD LEVELS TO BEGIN WITH.
Other crimes committed with guns were down even more sharply from 1.53 million in 1993 to 467,300 in 2011, a drop of 70%..
Again, implying false credit to guns where none is due; violent crime rates remain near tripled today since early 60's, where national gunstock quadrupled from ~75 millions to ~300 millions. Guns were a large reason for increasing crime & murder.
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No doubt. Three countries I can think of are as or more armed than the US ....
marble falls
May 2013
#3
Why are gun suicides your big concern? Are you concerned with non-gun suicides as well? What
Squinch
May 2013
#6
It shows what a low priority we have for mental health, I am concerned about suicide by cop...
marble falls
May 2013
#11
Concerned as in you would like to see fewer guns in circulation so as to reduce suicides?
Squinch
May 2013
#13
These are inconveniant facts, but they don't negate the need in lite of all the gun mayhem...
marble falls
May 2013
#23
There are less shootings, period. Violence, according to the FBI has gone down.
marble falls
May 2013
#12
So you are saying that the CDC stats are false. Am I understanding you correctly?
DanTex
May 2013
#22
So you are saying the FBI is making it up. Am I understanding you correctly?
marble falls
May 2013
#26
You do know you keep linking to this story which requires a subscription to see?
pipoman
May 2013
#37
Um.... because they're gun nuts? Because like the article says, the public percieves...
marble falls
May 2013
#14
While at the same time AR-15's and SK-47's and banana clips were made legal.
marble falls
May 2013
#39
Gun violence includes woundings. I haven't repeated anything. All links are origional....
marble falls
May 2013
#46
Right. From 50% ownership in the 1950's to 37% currently. But population....
marble falls
May 2013
#48