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jimmy the one

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42. the bigger picture
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:47 AM
May 2013
Gun violence in US has fallen dramatically over past 20 years, Justice Dept. report finds.. Murders committed with a gun dropped 39% to 11,101 in 2011, from a high of 18,253 in 1993, according to the report.

Certainly gun murder & rates dropped dramatically over the past 20 years, after RISING dramatically the previous 30 years when the national gunstock tripled & rose from 75 millions to ~225 millions, ~1963 - 1993;
Imagine a bell curve with 1963 to the extreme left & 2012 to the right, with a large upward bump in the middle representing gun murders, THAT is the BULGE which the huge increase in total guns has caused, & it has now, 2013, settled back down to 1963 rates (~3/100k) after reaching about 7/100k about 1993. (And medical treatment for gunshot wounds has improved thus saving more lives now than was possible in 20th century).

Put in perspective, 1963 - 1993 gunstock tripled, gun murder doubled.
1993 - 2013 gunstock increased ~50%, gunmurders decreased by ~half.
Like cattle thieves bragging 'we don't steal cattle as much as we did 30 years ago! we've decreased cattle rustling by 50% but boy have we got rich by selling what we stole the past 50 years!"

To take 1993 as a 'start point' dismisses the 30 year period prior, & makes a false conclusion that gunstock increases helped decrease gunmurder rates, when it was GUNSTOCK TRIPLING WHICH CAUSED MURDER RATES TO INCREASE TO RECORD LEVELS TO BEGIN WITH.

Other crimes committed with guns were down even more sharply — from 1.53 million in 1993 to 467,300 in 2011, a drop of 70%..

Again, implying false credit to guns where none is due; violent crime rates remain near tripled today since early 60's, where national gunstock quadrupled from ~75 millions to ~300 millions. Guns were a large reason for increasing crime & murder.

That's good. I hope it continues to fall. nt ZombieHorde May 2013 #1
We're still in the stratosphere when compared to most other countries. Squinch May 2013 #2
No doubt. Three countries I can think of are as or more armed than the US .... marble falls May 2013 #3
Israel, Switzerland, and Canada are not as armed as we are. DanTex May 2013 #5
In both Israel and Switzerland anyone who serves in the armed forces..... marble falls May 2013 #10
Yes, but we have more guns per capita. DanTex May 2013 #16
Also funny how billh58 May 2013 #24
Why are gun suicides your big concern? Are you concerned with non-gun suicides as well? What Squinch May 2013 #6
It shows what a low priority we have for mental health, I am concerned about suicide by cop... marble falls May 2013 #11
Concerned as in you would like to see fewer guns in circulation so as to reduce suicides? Squinch May 2013 #13
Another NRA billh58 May 2013 #18
These are inconveniant facts, but they don't negate the need in lite of all the gun mayhem... marble falls May 2013 #23
No they are not billh58 May 2013 #25
Another example of billh58 May 2013 #28
I wouldn't get too excited yet rightsideout May 2013 #4
There are less shootings, period. Violence, according to the FBI has gone down. marble falls May 2013 #12
The number of shootings has increased in the last decade. DanTex May 2013 #17
FBI says otherwise: marble falls May 2013 #19
Sigh. Again, violent crime and shootings are not the same thing. DanTex May 2013 #20
see marble falls May 2013 #21
So you are saying that the CDC stats are false. Am I understanding you correctly? DanTex May 2013 #22
So you are saying the FBI is making it up. Am I understanding you correctly? marble falls May 2013 #26
For the third time, "violent crime" and "shootings" are not the same thing. DanTex May 2013 #27
NRA apologists billh58 May 2013 #30
Facts you don't like? Try these: marble falls May 2013 #38
Tell Uncle Wayne billh58 May 2013 #43
The CDC says otherwise rightsideout May 2013 #31
You do know you keep linking to this story which requires a subscription to see? pipoman May 2013 #37
Let's bring it to zero mwrguy May 2013 #7
Then how come gun nuts want everyone to be armed to the teeth? TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #8
Um.... because they're gun nuts? Because like the article says, the public percieves... marble falls May 2013 #14
Holy Shit! The NRA had better get right on this. Turbineguy May 2013 #9
Nice try billh58 May 2013 #15
Rubbish. And has been proven so repeatedly. Robb May 2013 #29
Exactly rightsideout May 2013 #32
Over the last decade or so there is a definite plateau. n/t ellisonz May 2013 #34
Gun porn in the gun control group Kingofalldems May 2013 #33
There's some fine education going on upthread. ellisonz May 2013 #36
So if the general argument is correct, gun control clearly works! ellisonz May 2013 #35
While at the same time AR-15's and SK-47's and banana clips were made legal. marble falls May 2013 #39
Jared Lee Loughner, Adam Lanza, and James Holmes all used weapons or clips... ellisonz May 2013 #53
have a cup of swiss myth jimmy the one May 2013 #40
Try this: marble falls May 2013 #41
the bigger picture jimmy the one May 2013 #42
From CBS, LA Times, USA Today .... got more if you need it...... marble falls May 2013 #44
Are you going to address woundings Robb May 2013 #45
Gun violence includes woundings. I haven't repeated anything. All links are origional.... marble falls May 2013 #46
So should we just do what the NRA tells us? Kingofalldems May 2013 #49
but gun ownership has declined those years jimmy the one May 2013 #47
Right. From 50% ownership in the 1950's to 37% currently. But population.... marble falls May 2013 #48
1950 = wrong census jimmy the one May 2013 #50
bullshit. Suicide IS gun violence. bowens43 May 2013 #51
Suicide by gun is most definately violence. marble falls May 2013 #52
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