Gun Control Reform Activism

billh58

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15. Nice try

Tue May 7, 2013, 06:08 PM

May 2013

Last edited Tue May 7, 2013, 06:58 PM - Edit history (1)

with yet another NRA talking point: "crime is down because there are more guns." Bullshit!

Crime is down in the USA for a number of reasons, but none of those reasons are because there are more guns. Some of the reasons for the reduction in crime since the 1990s are: higher rates of incarceration, more proactive police surveillance and presence, and community and police involvement in social programs. See this article for more information: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0524/US-crime-rate-is-down-six-key-reasons

There is absolutely no correlation between the proliferation of guns in the USA, and the reduction in crime. Gun deaths are on track to out-pace automobile deaths by as early as next year:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-18/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015

Statistically speaking, people are 100% less likely to be killed or wounded by a firearm, when there is no firearm present, and that includes suicides, than when a gun is available.

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Rate Of U.S. Gun Violence Has Fallen Since 1993, Study Says [View all] marble falls May 2013 OP

That's good. I hope it continues to fall. nt ZombieHorde May 2013 #1

We're still in the stratosphere when compared to most other countries. Squinch May 2013 #2

No doubt. Three countries I can think of are as or more armed than the US .... marble falls May 2013 #3

Israel, Switzerland, and Canada are not as armed as we are. DanTex May 2013 #5

In both Israel and Switzerland anyone who serves in the armed forces..... marble falls May 2013 #10

Yes, but we have more guns per capita. DanTex May 2013 #16

Also funny how billh58 May 2013 #24

Why are gun suicides your big concern? Are you concerned with non-gun suicides as well? What Squinch May 2013 #6

It shows what a low priority we have for mental health, I am concerned about suicide by cop... marble falls May 2013 #11

Concerned as in you would like to see fewer guns in circulation so as to reduce suicides? Squinch May 2013 #13

Another NRA billh58 May 2013 #18

These are inconveniant facts, but they don't negate the need in lite of all the gun mayhem... marble falls May 2013 #23

No they are not billh58 May 2013 #25

Another example of billh58 May 2013 #28

I wouldn't get too excited yet rightsideout May 2013 #4

There are less shootings, period. Violence, according to the FBI has gone down. marble falls May 2013 #12

The number of shootings has increased in the last decade. DanTex May 2013 #17

FBI says otherwise: marble falls May 2013 #19

Sigh. Again, violent crime and shootings are not the same thing. DanTex May 2013 #20

see marble falls May 2013 #21

So you are saying that the CDC stats are false. Am I understanding you correctly? DanTex May 2013 #22

So you are saying the FBI is making it up. Am I understanding you correctly? marble falls May 2013 #26

For the third time, "violent crime" and "shootings" are not the same thing. DanTex May 2013 #27

NRA apologists billh58 May 2013 #30

Facts you don't like? Try these: marble falls May 2013 #38

Tell Uncle Wayne billh58 May 2013 #43

The CDC says otherwise rightsideout May 2013 #31

You do know you keep linking to this story which requires a subscription to see? pipoman May 2013 #37

Let's bring it to zero mwrguy May 2013 #7

Then how come gun nuts want everyone to be armed to the teeth? TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #8

Um.... because they're gun nuts? Because like the article says, the public percieves... marble falls May 2013 #14

Holy Shit! The NRA had better get right on this. Turbineguy May 2013 #9

Nice try billh58 May 2013 #15

Rubbish. And has been proven so repeatedly. Robb May 2013 #29

Exactly rightsideout May 2013 #32

Over the last decade or so there is a definite plateau. n/t ellisonz May 2013 #34

Gun porn in the gun control group Kingofalldems May 2013 #33

There's some fine education going on upthread. ellisonz May 2013 #36

So if the general argument is correct, gun control clearly works! ellisonz May 2013 #35

While at the same time AR-15's and SK-47's and banana clips were made legal. marble falls May 2013 #39

Jared Lee Loughner, Adam Lanza, and James Holmes all used weapons or clips... ellisonz May 2013 #53

have a cup of swiss myth jimmy the one May 2013 #40

Try this: marble falls May 2013 #41

the bigger picture jimmy the one May 2013 #42

From CBS, LA Times, USA Today .... got more if you need it...... marble falls May 2013 #44

Are you going to address woundings Robb May 2013 #45

Gun violence includes woundings. I haven't repeated anything. All links are origional.... marble falls May 2013 #46

So should we just do what the NRA tells us? Kingofalldems May 2013 #49

but gun ownership has declined those years jimmy the one May 2013 #47

Right. From 50% ownership in the 1950's to 37% currently. But population.... marble falls May 2013 #48

1950 = wrong census jimmy the one May 2013 #50

bullshit. Suicide IS gun violence. bowens43 May 2013 #51

Suicide by gun is most definately violence. marble falls May 2013 #52