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Gun Control Reform Activism

slackmaster

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15. Apparently you aren't familiar with how the background check system works

Reply to rdharma (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 10, 2013, 01:33 PM

Apr 2013

A NICS check does not create a paper trail. NICS returns a thumbs-up or thumbs-down result, or a "not sure". It doesn't track activity, and by law the record that a check was performed has to be discarded. There is no permanent log record.

The paper trail created when the firearm changes hands, and the record is kept in the licensed dealer's files. That system has been in place since 1968, changed since then only to include additional categories of people who are prohibited from acquiring firearms. The bill under consideration would make no changes to that system. Prosecutions are based on people making false statements on the paperwork - For example, giving a false answer to the question "Are you the actual purchaser of this firearm?" Giving a false answer on that question makes a person a straw buyer.

A background check is NOT a paper trail. It's just a background check.

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Gun control talks in Senate appear to be nearing a deal [View all] ellisonz Apr 2013 OP

I don't understand all this 'noise' about the Senate passing a gun control bill as everyone knows Purveyor Apr 2013 #1

I'm holding out hope that pressure on the House will move some of them, but we have to Laurian Apr 2013 #3

dems + compromise usually ends up smelling bad unless u are a repub. we will see nt msongs Apr 2013 #2

No background checks on "non-commercial" weapons sales. kelly1mm Apr 2013 #4

But this would get gun shows. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #5

Would it cover online sales? BainsBane Apr 2013 #6

It should. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #7

Online sales are already covered. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #17

Yes. It would. rdharma Apr 2013 #8

That's very strange. All commercial sales are already subject to background checks. slackmaster Apr 2013 #9

It only covers private sales "where advertising or an online service involved." rdharma Apr 2013 #10

Background checks don't and fundamentally can't stop straw purchasers. slackmaster Apr 2013 #11

Doesn't stop straw purchaser....... rdharma Apr 2013 #12

No, it doesn't have anything to do with stopping straw sales or prosecuting straw buyers. slackmaster Apr 2013 #13

You evidently don't know how these cases are prosecuted. rdharma Apr 2013 #14

Apparently you aren't familiar with how the background check system works slackmaster Apr 2013 #15

"A NICS check does not create a paper trail." rdharma Apr 2013 #16

Requiring a background check on a private transfer does not necessarily imply creating a 4473 slackmaster Apr 2013 #18

Then the House gets their turn Pullo Apr 2013 #19

No. We don't have to wait. It's in the Manchin/Toomey" agreement. rdharma Apr 2013 #20

I'd like to see the acutal text. An "agreement" isn't a bill. slackmaster Apr 2013 #21

"legitimately fail the background check" rdharma Apr 2013 #22

Initial false denials are very, very common because a lot of people have names that are... slackmaster Apr 2013 #24

Some details of the bg check compromise jimmy the one Apr 2013 #23