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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
8. The structure may not matter to you.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:04 AM
Feb 2012

but it does to me. And I think actually the OP has a valid point, about the horizontal being a bit more vulnerable to infiltration than hierarchical.

Never-the-less, I think on-balance Occupy should stay with the horizontal approach; because it's more inclusive and user-friendly, more love-based
rather than fear and suspicion based, etc.

I see no reason -- if a given GA decides on this course of action -- why Occupy demonstrators who are determined to conduct a 100% NON-violent
march or demonstration should not be able to do so without random intruders who are intent on turning the event into a mockery of non-violence.
Demonstrators have every right as agreed to be vigilant and on the look-out for people who insist on vandalizing property at marches, throwing
bottles at police, or doing anything that is deliberately turning energy in a direction towards more violence i.e. giving Police ample reasons to beat-up,
tear-gas, arrest otherwise totally peaceful protesters ... I see no reason why such disrupters should not be turned over to police by their fellow
demonstrators.

It's a very ugly choice either way: it's just that this way at least holds out a slim chance that Occupy just might pull off actually BEING who we say
we are publicly ... and make that plain as day to EVERYONE who pays a whit of attention to actual facts .. and therefore succeeding at what we are
attempting to do.

occupy is protest mdmc Feb 2012 #1
It depends on whether violence (including property destruction) is being forced 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #2
I agree they should isolate BB and hand them over to the Police. In Toronto people were applegrove Feb 2012 #3
I disagree. This is red-baiting hysteria -- the idea of using bamboo poles (<sp) to corral Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #5
Please 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #6
I apologize if I over-reacted, it's just that we don't experience all this stuff at my local Occupy. Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #7
We agree on pretty much everything. 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #9
I don't think the NYPD would aprove of protestors UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #10
I don't think it matters the structure zeemike Feb 2012 #4
The structure may not matter to you. 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #8
And they need to be vigilant zeemike Feb 2012 #11
Agreed! Vigilance + to KNOW one another for REAL. patrice Feb 2012 #17
What should Occupy members do? I believe that they should distance themselves physically Vincardog Feb 2012 #14
That was the jist of what i said last weekend in OccupyKochTown ... patrice Feb 2012 #15
I would argue that violence itself is implicitly hierarchical starroute Feb 2012 #12
I agree strongly with what you are saying here. I also have a footnote derived from some observation patrice Feb 2012 #16
I participated in a GA for OccupyKochTown in which this question was a high priority when the patrice Feb 2012 #13
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