2016 Postmortem

kenfrequed

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20. It is Chutzpah!

Thu Aug 6, 2015, 03:32 PM

Aug 2015

Into the lions den?

Into the belly of the beast?

Like Nixon going to China?

Stop me quick, I am running out of metaphors...

Seriously, the worst that can happen is that the school will suddenly decide to "excuse people for religious reasons" and Sanders will be speaking at an empty hall. The next worse thing is that everyone is sullen and silent since Sanders' policies are wildly oppositional.

Anything else is a win.
If they react negatively or Boo or make a lot of noise then it is a story.
If some people change their minds or some of the evangelical community start waking up to other possibilities, that would also be a win.
If he makes young impressionable college kids question the values of neo-conservaitve republican bullshit then that would also be a win.

Where is the harm?

Personally, I think it is Bernie's time to waste and his windmill to tilt at, and in case you haven't noticed Bigtree, Bernie has managed to get a lot of Democrats here and at his events very excited. Since you have been wildly critical of him from the very begining I really don't know what Senator Sanders owes you personally.

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There's nothing redeeming or politically valid in Sanders speaking at Falwell's Liberty University [View all] bigtree Aug 2015 OP

How about spreading the Sanders economic message to all voters? guillaumeb Aug 2015 #1

they can hear him from where he stands bigtree Aug 2015 #3

You mean our Democratic fold like speaking at Goldman Sachs for $200k tularetom Aug 2015 #9

Yeah, that. n/t dogknob Aug 2015 #88

But the symbolism of going to LU is quite strong. guillaumeb Aug 2015 #10

Yes ... The symbolism IS quite strong ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #22

This looks terrible. Tone deafness clearly is an issue for this campaign. AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #43

So Sanders must only speak to the true believers, so to speak? guillaumeb Aug 2015 #55

Sigh...If Hillary did this, many Sanders supporters on this site would be SCREAMING AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #59

True. But I stand by my points about spreading the message beyond guillaumeb Aug 2015 #68

Don't think this is what Dean had in mind FloridaBlues Aug 2015 #123

Then we must disagree on this point. eom guillaumeb Aug 2015 #194

So it has to be at this location to make the 50 state visit a reality? Sheepshank Aug 2015 #210

Let me reframe your argument: guillaumeb Aug 2015 #216

no, you don't need to rephrase my own words. Bernie is not a DEM Sheepshank Aug 2015 #219

Are Democratic candidates subject to a litmus test? guillaumeb Aug 2015 #220

guillaumeb. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #163

True. But my point in this particular thread guillaumeb Aug 2015 #187

And your meaning is...? guillaumeb Aug 2015 #54

Liberty Union is ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #87

are you sure ALL of them are racists and bigots? questionseverything Aug 2015 #156

I'm pretty sure there is 1 or, perhaps, even a 100 that aren't ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #173

yes i do think it was a good lesson questionseverything Aug 2015 #190

I like myself and think myself reasonable ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #193

A valid concern. guillaumeb Aug 2015 #195

Perhaps, a "reverse" Sister Souljah moment ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #197

Correct. The mass attack on Sanders on AA issues mirrors 2008 attack on Obama on LGBT issues. ieoeja Aug 2015 #199

I think you miss understood my statement ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #200

Then Hillary was wrongly not taken to task for doing worse. ieoeja Aug 2015 #203

Okay ... But this is not about HRC ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #205

Bernie has not (to my knowledge) accepted to appear on The 700 Club. ieoeja Aug 2015 #206

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #209

An interesting point for speculation, guillaumeb Aug 2015 #214

I'm not saying that this is Bernie's intent, merely ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #215

Liberty University is about 49% white, 15% black, many Latino and Asian and international Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #208

I'm not saying what President Obama did was fine. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #211

LU might be predominantly "populated with racists and bigots..." guillaumeb Aug 2015 #188

So we've now limited our audience to the party faithful. winter is coming Aug 2015 #11

Absolutely! potone Aug 2015 #196

It is Chutzpah! kenfrequed Aug 2015 #20

Sanders doesn't owe me anything? bigtree Aug 2015 #25

Huh kenfrequed Aug 2015 #30

yes, Kennedy was reaching out to bigots bigtree Aug 2015 #40

Well thanks for the discussion kenfrequed Aug 2015 #45

Obama 08. Two vids. McClurkin at Obama event, Obama asked at forum about that screed. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #147

so you think that was wrong, but this is fine? bigtree Aug 2015 #150

are you having this much of a problem with potus negotiating with iran? questionseverything Aug 2015 #152

the old deflection switcheroo? bigtree Aug 2015 #155

Gee wiz straight man, you said Teddy was not there as a candidate in a Democratic Primary so Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #161

clearly you can't defend this appearance on its merits bigtree Aug 2015 #167

I believe you want to talk about me, not the issue at hand. You rejected Teddy at Liberty because Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #207

is there something about this sentence you don't understand? bigtree Aug 2015 #223

If HIllary did this you wouldnt be attacking her for it? I dont know you, but I KNOW AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #44

Well... kenfrequed Aug 2015 #49

OK, I may have responded to one of the few Bernie supporters here, other than myself, AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #51

Most of us are here to talk about Bernie kenfrequed Aug 2015 #60

Are you saying most people at Democratic Underground are here to support Bernie? AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #63

And... kenfrequed Aug 2015 #64

Are you saying more people here support Bernie than Hillary? If so, how many will still be here AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #69

Well... kenfrequed Aug 2015 #75

Agreed that Hillary will bring out the haters, but not more than Obama brought out. AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #77

And I think Bernie has a better shot kenfrequed Aug 2015 #82

My father got a bachelor's degree at Liberty when in his 50's. arcane1 Aug 2015 #41

No doubt the op thinks he's a racist too. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #98

I look forward to you posting this reliably every time Obama or Clinton attend a National Prayer villager Aug 2015 #56

Wait for the damned speech bvf Aug 2015 #65

Liberty U in Lynchburgoffers a dirt cheap education, for some kids it is all about getting a diploma peacebird Aug 2015 #129

Indeed, look at how much effort is spent right here on DU to convince us this is a failed idea arcane1 Aug 2015 #39

+1 bvf Aug 2015 #50

Bernie steps out of establishment straight jacket, establishment supporters disapproves HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #58

+1 nt artislife Aug 2015 #104

Ted Kennedy spoke at Liberty University DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #2

he'll be following other notable publicity seekers who spoke at convocations there bigtree Aug 2015 #12

So, Jeffress, Kennedy, and Sanders agree on everything, because they all spoke at the same location? arcane1 Aug 2015 #37

Did you have a problem with that right wing pastor President Obama invited to speak Armstead Aug 2015 #46

....x10 840high Aug 2015 #107

They are all connected to Kevin Bacon! immoderate Aug 2015 #62

The Ted Kennedy false equivalency versus topical reality is simply the best the supporters of this very bad move have. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #164

Pandering for votes in an election season is all on Bernie Sheepshank Aug 2015 #217

It's not like they are voters artislife Aug 2015 #4

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #5

it's always the Hillary defense with Sanders supporters here bigtree Aug 2015 #14

If I told you what the fuck it means you'd accuse me of being a racist tularetom Aug 2015 #17

I know what it means bigtree Aug 2015 #19

OK, I probably shouldn't have used that expression in that context and I apologize for doing so tularetom Aug 2015 #32

O-tay? For what reason are you quoting Buckwheat from The Little Rascals? What are you snarking at bettyellen Aug 2015 #76

Yes, that expression was inappropriate and I've already apologized to the other poster for using it tularetom Aug 2015 #83

Well, if you were trying to disprove Sanders campaign(ers) issue of being "racially tone deaf" you bettyellen Aug 2015 #86

In other words you prefer patronizing and insincere to "racially tone deaf"? tularetom Aug 2015 #91

In other words- you're racially charged bit of snark was disturbing. Full stop. No need to blame bettyellen Aug 2015 #92

+ a million. I just can't anymore Number23 Aug 2015 #120

Is "Clinton dog-whistled first" a real answer? Not the first time I have seen shitty things excused bettyellen Aug 2015 #144

Not only that but the crocodile tears about "racist dog whistles" before deploying one himself Number23 Aug 2015 #168

that's not a Sanders' campaign issue AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #171

It's a real issue when people think "O-Tay" is a funny response. bettyellen Aug 2015 #186

He apologized. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #204

People here (and everywhere) saying stupid shit like "O-tay" it ain't manufactured or a meme. bettyellen Aug 2015 #218

I didn't say THAT is the meme. I re-read what I wrote and what I wrote is clear. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #221

I feel the same way when Hillary takes big money to assure the bankers that we are meanies to djean111 Aug 2015 #6

I see the OM HRC camps are annoyed at being out flanked. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #7

I'm not in the 'Hillary camp' bigtree Aug 2015 #15

Notice the OM which is your camp aikoaiko Aug 2015 #18

this is outflanking? bigtree Aug 2015 #21

He wants to serve all Americans. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #29

The nerve of him, wanting to convince people that don't agree, to agree arcane1 Aug 2015 #34

I don't agree that he's surrendering his values. cyberswede Aug 2015 #70

Don't throw me into that briar patch. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #35

What's he running for again? President of Everyone Left of Center? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #8

Maybe he should have chosen Saddleback n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #13

You gotta LOVE the flaming hypocrites in this thread who were Puglover Aug 2015 #212

Yup whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #213

Unrecommended. Ron Green Aug 2015 #16

I'm glad you noticed this, too ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #23

Yeah whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #26

Whoa there, big horse. Maedhros Aug 2015 #24

nice try bigtree Aug 2015 #27

It's not racist or bigoted to speak at Liberty University, either. Maedhros Aug 2015 #66

there is no 'race card' bigtree Aug 2015 #72

Saying that Sanders is making "it's a blatant bid for the votes of racists and bigots" Maedhros Aug 2015 #89

again, there is no race card. It's a deflection used to dismiss discussion of race issues bigtree Aug 2015 #94

I try to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I really can't. Maedhros Aug 2015 #96

ha! bigtree Aug 2015 #97

Jury results EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2015 #117

Oh shit....That's why I get a luukewarn feeling about O'Malley Armstead Aug 2015 #106

And this is why we will always be a split country yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #28

this supposes there's some validity in the religious zealots' bigotry bigtree Aug 2015 #79

I guess yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #113

Any self-respecting candidate would be charging $3,000 to hear him speak! n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #31

Nah! I say go for it Bernie! Adrahil Aug 2015 #33

+1 DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #38

+2 840high Aug 2015 #108

But you were OK with the president appearing on Fox Doctor_J Aug 2015 #36

lying about me being 'OK with the president appearing on Fox' bigtree Aug 2015 #53

There's a lot of stink coming off this OP. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #42

well, take it all in bigtree Aug 2015 #57

"indefensible political act" - speaking to American college students? cyberswede Aug 2015 #73

I think it's a great idea. Maybe we can convert some of them. We have to try. Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #47

....! KoKo Aug 2015 #99

I really can't believe so many are having a hard time deciding why Bernie is speaking to Liberty Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #48

He's already HAD the largest audience among 2016 candidates. senz Aug 2015 #71

Bernie does not have the largest audience of the candidates, he is hoping to get the largest of the Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #74

"Bernie Sanders Continues to Draw the Biggest Crowds of Any 2016 Candidate" senz Aug 2015 #81

Where's the concern stemming from really? Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #52

Jesus reached out to the sinners. (if u believe all that stuff). was he wrong for that? Preaching to msongs Aug 2015 #61

...! KoKo Aug 2015 #101

Bernie has made it clear senz Aug 2015 #67

He's running for President for all Americans The empressof all Aug 2015 #78

Wrong. Sanders is NOT going there to "preach to the choir". He is going there to explain to them still_one Aug 2015 #80

talk about scrapping the bottom of the barrel.... mike_c Aug 2015 #84

Can't agree with this - KT2000 Aug 2015 #85

Yep, he's going right into the bubble with Truth, some may have never heard before. arcane1 Aug 2015 #105

How has freezing them out been working for ya? Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #90

nice try tk2kewl Aug 2015 #93

well, he clearly doesn't oppose appealing for votes of students bigtree Aug 2015 #95

The nerve of him, trying to get misguided youth to see things more clearly. arcane1 Aug 2015 #100

People have been converted when hearing a message of CHARITY for THE PEOPLE... KoKo Aug 2015 #102

Both Bernie and the university are unabashedly on the record with opposing views on these issues tk2kewl Aug 2015 #110

the op is an opinion bigtree Aug 2015 #114

you know better tk2kewl Aug 2015 #174

just speaking there is giving validation to this group bigtree Aug 2015 #182

i disagree... tk2kewl Aug 2015 #185

The O'Malley speaking at the Third Way think tank TM99 Aug 2015 #192

Oh no, Sanders is trying to change the minds of people he disagrees with. Vattel Aug 2015 #103

Imagine that - horrible man 840high Aug 2015 #109

in other words bigtree Aug 2015 #111

He said why he was going. Why not take him at his word? Vattel Aug 2015 #116

I'm in favor of leaving the religious extremists out of the equation bigtree Aug 2015 #121

He's talking to people, trying to change their minds. Vattel Aug 2015 #128

and from where I sit bigtree Aug 2015 #138

I don't know what you mean by Vattel Aug 2015 #139

well, give it some thought bigtree Aug 2015 #141

Your cynical, negative view... ms liberty Aug 2015 #133

nicely stated Vattel Aug 2015 #142

Disagree with the OP HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #112

Can you wait until you hear what he has to say Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #115

Some think they should shape their message for a narrow segment of the population. LWolf Aug 2015 #118

Nothing redeeming about Hillary's bigoted fundamentalist ties. Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #119

your response meter is stuck on 'Hillary' bigtree Aug 2015 #124

This is so sad. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #122

you really think putting those words in my mouth is a defense against this appearance? bigtree Aug 2015 #125

Your screed about how Sanders betrayed us is all you: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #127

it's like you believe I appeared on this earth just in time for this campaign bigtree Aug 2015 #134

I don't know jack about you and thanks to this op I don't ever want to find out more. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #137

yeah, I'm shocked to find folks who haven't given an inch to ANY criticism of Sanders bigtree Aug 2015 #140

Au contraire, mon cher Turbineguy Aug 2015 #126

That's so very wrong. Bernie is going into the lion's den to convert the heathens. nt Zorra Aug 2015 #130

hmmm nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #131

Kennedy received a membership in the university, mistakenly mailed to him bigtree Aug 2015 #148

The point is that every candidate should be reaching nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #151

What next, a campaign rally before a mandatory audience at NRA HQ? No Democratic candidate Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #132

Ted Kennedy did. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #135

Reaching back 60 years is the best defence I have seen yet. And that reminds me that these are the "Christians" that Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #145

He spoke there in 1983. Has it been 60 years already? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #146

32 years ago makes your strawmen more erect? Going into the viper's den for what, is the issue. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #149

I think the issue now is your credibility, Fred. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #158

Show me your OP railing against Donnie 'gays kill children' McClurkin, surrogate to Obama 08 Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #136

show me one post of mine 'berating' anyone for objecting bigtree Aug 2015 #143

Show me your OP treating that candidate to these high drama standards first, I asked first. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #157

what a bullshit standard bigtree Aug 2015 #165

Here sheshe2 Aug 2015 #153

you might imagine that you know the minds and hearts of the students there virtualobserver Aug 2015 #154

So many times we have been told Obama is the President of all the citizens of Autumn Aug 2015 #159

there's not one criticism of your candidate bigtree Aug 2015 #166

Sorry, your entire premise is false and a smear. TM99 Aug 2015 #169

No one said they were children, they are grown college students. Autumn Aug 2015 #175

Don't forget that O'Malley TM99 Aug 2015 #177

You won't get an answer to that. It's fine for O'Malley, Obama or Hillary to do anything Autumn Aug 2015 #179

O'MG! He spoke to a think tank! bigtree Aug 2015 #181

Both Obama and Hillary appeared on the 700 Club in 2008. ieoeja Aug 2015 #184

Your hypocrisy is on proud display. TM99 Aug 2015 #191

I spoke to a Girl Scout troop once about Engineering Careers, did that make me a Girl Scout? FSogol Aug 2015 #183

Way to miss the point. TM99 Aug 2015 #189

I didn't comment on Sanders, who can do whatever he wants, I commented on FSogol Aug 2015 #198

I have not smeared O'Malley. TM99 Aug 2015 #222

News flash: There are voters across the United States... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #160

I'm betting that he calls them out AnnieBW Aug 2015 #162

Even though I know Sanders supporters would.... NCTraveler Aug 2015 #170

I don't recall anybody trashing Hillary or Obama for their 700 Club appearances in 2008? ieoeja Aug 2015 #202

I'd do it and I'd throttle them with my Jesus. Probably not Sanders' exact tact but I bet it comes TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #172

Calling BS. 1. Va has open primaries 2. The Liberty network spreads far and wide underpants Aug 2015 #176

Do you suggest Bernie fredamae Aug 2015 #178

Hogwash. He was invited to speak there, and accepted. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #180

Some people just want Bernie silenced AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #201