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Reticence created an enthuism gap [View all] joshcryer Jan 2017 OP

Hear Hear.. one of about 8 or so factors , but a real one. nt pkdu Jan 2017 #1

K & R. n/t NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #2

agreements between Obama and Clinton were almost certainly made to achieve that result, or at least JCanete Jan 2017 #3

I agree with that opinion. I think they got a frosty reaction from the clinton dionysus Jan 2017 #4

that article was crap . they lost and acted like they were owed something JI7 Jan 2017 #5

That's nice. Nt dionysus Jan 2017 #6

no, they were not nice, they were assholes . booing her during her convention speech JI7 Jan 2017 #8

You sound upset that a few people were jerks. Nt dionysus Jan 2017 #10

it was more than a few. i'm sure they cheered when trump won. just look at that website JI7 Jan 2017 #11

Are you talking about the jacknut radidorks or whatever they call themselves? dionysus Jan 2017 #12

that's my point. those types made up many "bernie supporters" although i said their JI7 Jan 2017 #14

I always viewed the assholes as trolls, at worse ratfuckers trying to sow dionysus Jan 2017 #16

Some may have been Russian trolls BainsBane Jan 2017 #31

Yep. And some trolls wern't Russian, just right wing *posing* LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #34

The stadium thing really sticks with me. joshcryer Jan 2017 #70

The Sanders people were jerks at the National Convention Gothmog Jan 2017 #73

I don't believe that for a second. joshcryer Jan 2017 #19

remember the lies about Clinton revenge list JI7 Jan 2017 #20

wow...so that was rude. I didn't peddle a rumor. I wasn't referring to a rumor. I'm not even JCanete Jan 2017 #21

It just reeks of cronyism. joshcryer Jan 2017 #23

This is politics. Every cabinet position that is filled is a consideration of politics. Each is JCanete Jan 2017 #38

Any version of that kind of talk is not substantiated by any credible information out there.. JHan Jan 2017 #39

are you saying right now that people don't negotiate things in Washington? You are focusing solely JCanete Jan 2017 #42

Yes it's politics but it's not a big deal because it truly doesn't matter.. JHan Jan 2017 #45

I don't think you can accept that politics is a reality, and then say all that matters is JCanete Jan 2017 #54

Well we can navel gaze about the motivations of politicians all day... JHan Jan 2017 #56

In the real world, sanders helped Trump win Gothmog Jan 2017 #75

Sorry, we remember that Obama had to work very hard to convince her to sign on as SOS emulatorloo Jan 2017 #46

Appeasement vs reward are very different things. joshcryer Jan 2017 #64

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Sanders attacked Hillary Clinton and trump directly and accurately quoted Sanders attacks. In the r Gothmog Jan 2017 #29

The system is rigged. It really really is Goth. That you are part of the Democratic Establishment JCanete Jan 2017 #37

We get our asses handed to us because we haven't got a clue.. JHan Jan 2017 #41

You really believe that change just happens from inside without a push from the outside to make it JCanete Jan 2017 #47

That article about Cory's vote shows that it wasn't a "battle of hastings" to fight.. JHan Jan 2017 #49

Yes, but a fundamental component to knowing you're on the right track with your insider politicians JCanete Jan 2017 #53

you vote for people whose views closely align to yours... JHan Jan 2017 #55

corporate media has an agenda oh yes, but also the resources to blast it everywhere, in every JCanete Jan 2017 #58

step back for a minute... JHan Jan 2017 #59

Look, I've never felt like Clinton has been leading a charge on any of those things. If she has JCanete Jan 2017 #60

And you're continuing to miss my simple point: JHan Jan 2017 #61

we're missing each others...my opinion is that we won't have good candidates if we don't demand that JCanete Jan 2017 #62

I haven't always cared for centrism but... JHan Jan 2017 #68

Are you happy that Sanders helped Trump win? Gothmog Jan 2017 #43

Oh fuck.. I never said the primary process was rigged by the way. OUR ENTIRE SYTEM IS RIGGED. JCanete Jan 2017 #50

All Sanders did was give us Trump Gothmog Jan 2017 #72

That's why Clinton supporting Obama was important. joshcryer Jan 2017 #65

excellent comments!nt m-lekktor Jan 2017 #36

what's interesting is that the White Working Class Supported Hillary over Obama in 2008 JI7 Jan 2017 #7

Hillary should have gone after him on not releasing his Taxes and other things JI7 Jan 2017 #9

Where bernie as ruthless as some claim, he wouldn't have called BS on the dionysus Jan 2017 #13

he said she wasn't qualified to be president JI7 Jan 2017 #15

The racism during that was unbelivable. joshcryer Jan 2017 #18

The Clinton campaign treated Sanders with kid gloves Gothmog Jan 2017 #30

Bernie's not ruthless. But Weaver's incompetent. Went from issues to scorched earth emulatorloo Jan 2017 #48

Hillary was very soft on Sanders, that is undeniable. joshcryer Jan 2017 #17

He didn't get all the concessions he wanted BainsBane Jan 2017 #22

Yep. nt LexVegas Jan 2017 #24

there was a lot of reticence over Trump too, on the GOP Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #25

That's just it...that's why I think there was machine hacking LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #35

there was massive hacking, or people lied in exit polls and pre-election polls or both Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #40

I agree Bernie was a problem ultimately for HRC. Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #26

Thanks for posting this! NastyRiffraff Jan 2017 #27

Sanders did not come close to doing everything he could to help Clinton win Gothmog Jan 2017 #28

If anything he did the opposite. joshcryer Jan 2017 #67

Agreed Gothmog Jan 2017 #71

Yeah, Cornel West made no sense whatsoever Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #32

Cornell West was more symbolic than anything. joshcryer Jan 2017 #69

Don't you get it Josh? Only women are expected to concede and help the man win. boston bean Jan 2017 #33

That is the position of the BOBers Gothmog Jan 2017 #44

Yes there was and continues to be sexism in that regard. joshcryer Jan 2017 #66

Unforgivable - Loath Him otohara Jan 2017 #51

That was a stark, stark contrast. LisaM Jan 2017 #52

those taken in by GOP propaganda on Clinton will now get an education in REAL Corruption from DT Bill USA Jan 2017 #57

Yes. Corruption when Trump is done well resemble Russian mafia. joshcryer Jan 2017 #63

Clinton supporters got their candidate. TDale313 Jan 2017 #76

K&R n/t JTFrog Jan 2017 #77

K & R SunSeeker Jan 2017 #78