2016 Postmortem

NoGoodNamesLeft

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26. This is NOT just about Hillary Clinton

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 06:09 PM

Jan 2017

Her issue in the rust belt is that they associated her with NAFTA and she, like many here, assumed and believed she was entitled to the votes there. Those voters have had their issues ignored for DECADES. They're fed up and sick of it, so they believed Trump. They'll figure out he lied soon enough and MAYBE they will come back to the Democratic Party....but they sure as fuck won't if you all keep calling them all racists.

ANYONE who throws around ugly accusations so casually without even knowing people may as well just vote for Trump in 2020 because they are helping ensure he wins again.

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I think I have a good understanding of why Hillary lost, but what I still don't get [View all] Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 OP

So-called "white working class" is mad because they are becoming a minority and think their plight Hoyt Jan 2017 #1

so they are getting more desperate as the country gets more diverse? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #3

Bigotry, particularly racism, transcends class interests. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #5

so how do we get over bigotry??? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #6

For starters, we won't ever eliminate it. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #12

wow-- that's great. I didn't know that was something that existed Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #47

This kind of attitude is exactly WHY Dems lost... NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #7

Wow, you sure got that backwards. That's some mighty hefty and undeserved bashing of Democrats. JTFrog Jan 2017 #8

No he has some good points jzodda Jan 2017 #10

Thank you NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #21

You're overlooking the elephant in the room. Repugs cheat. brush Jan 2017 #29

What else is new? Did Obama just whine and give up? NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #31

Who's saying give up, or is pissing and moaning and complaining? I'm clearly saying fight... brush Jan 2017 #36

what conformity you are talking about??? Example? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #48

something at the top of my list is for Dems to call out Repub cheating more forcefully Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #49

It is very much deserved and needed NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #17

Yea, let's just not focus on Republican cheating or foreign influence. Let's keep bashing the good JTFrog Jan 2017 #18

If Democrats stopped being so goddamned exclusive NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #20

Exclusive?!? JTFrog Jan 2017 #53

Well let's deport Mexicans, trash Blacks, kill Muslims, etc., because that is what white wing Hoyt Jan 2017 #9

+1 nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #13

Oh bullshit! NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #19

What's bullshit is the narrative that says Clinton didn't talk enough about economics/jobs. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #23

This is NOT just about Hillary Clinton NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #26

Again, 80% of his supporters are Birthers. That's verifiable, not merely an assumption. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #28

Oh for fuck's sake that is not true NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #32

Okay, it's 79%. I've posted this numerous times before in response to your posts. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #42

She's associated with NAFTA BainsBane Jan 2017 #44

Did you vote for Trump? If not, then learn to read. Hoyt Jan 2017 #33

Nope, but I have relatives who did and they don't hold the views you are claiming NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #35

Voting for someone you know to be a racist, bigot, and worse is a tip off, don't you think? Hoyt Jan 2017 #37

Nor does Hillary hold the views BainsBane Jan 2017 #45

treated like they are stupid? stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #51

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #2

okay, but Hillary wasn't that weak and Trump was awful Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #4

Actually, the Dems picked up 5(?) seats in the House and 2 or three in the Senate Chitown Kev Jan 2017 #11

good point. Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #15

Senate races are statewide and can't be gerrymandered like House of Representatives districts. n/t 24601 Jan 2017 #14

right-- so what is the explanation for the GOP success? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #16

My undergrad didn't have formal majors, but was the equivalent of poly sci. My take is that there 24601 Jan 2017 #24

The repugs cheat. They always cheat. See post #29 brush Jan 2017 #30

But I think gerrymandering still impacts statewide races. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #25

Interesting article about it. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #22

Liberals are piling up in cities. LisaM Jan 2017 #27

seems like we keep hearing the Dems are going to flip these states any day Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #41

it did in Virginia and Colorado and while we still lost texas , Hillary made gains from previous JI7 Jan 2017 #43

ah, good point-- slow but incremental improvement in some states Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #50

What Have You Done For Me Berlin Vet Jan 2017 #34

yes, seriously!!! Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jan 2017 #54

In my state, Koch's, NRA and other Repubs provided millions more in TV ads wishstar Jan 2017 #38

ah yes-- the $$$ factor Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #39

A lot of people were dissatisfied with the status quo. senz Jan 2017 #46

I heard a charge made, I beleive on the Thom Hartmann radio show yesterday doc03 Jan 2017 #52

Dem's stayed home. joshcryer Jan 2017 #55