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24. My undergrad didn't have formal majors, but was the equivalent of poly sci. My take is that there
Thu Jan 19, 2017, 05:59 PM
Jan 2017

a monolithic reason. An individual is the sole judge of their vote criteria. It can be a deep policy analysis or as shallow as not voting for anyone who parts their hair on the right.

Each down-ballot race is unique and had their own reasons - like Bayh losing Indiana because voters judged he had essentially left the state and become a DC area resident.

But for President, I saw several things that had an effect that were unrelated to Russian hacking and Hillary's emails.

The presumed inevitability of Hillary Clinton led to a high degree of complacency which in turn led many to skip voting or feel it was a safe year to cast that vote for Johnson or Stein in an effort to open up the political process to more than the two major parties. I have a relative in his early 30s who posted all kinds of shit in favor of Johnson, explaining after the election that since he knew Hillary would win anyway, he wanted Jonson to reach the thresh hold for future ballot access.

The daily dialog made a number of Trump voters go dark because they didn't want the hassle - so polls were affected.

There was a large anti-establishment vote. It not only hurt Hillary in the General Election but what allowed Trump to prevail in the Primary.

The high degree of negative ads and coverage ultimately made people tone deaf and changed the channels.

While Trump didn't release tax returns, Hillary didn't release paid speeches. It's reasonable to infer that 8 years of a Democratic Administration would have taken legal action if Trump cheated on his taxes and there is a degree of presumed government oversight. But there was no equivalent oversight for the speeches. And neither has a legal requirement for disclosure.

And don't discount Allan Lichtman's13 keys to the White House. He detested Trump but pointed out that he was headed for a win. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/23/trump-is-headed-for-a-win-says-professor-whos-predicted-30-years-of-presidential-outcomes-correctly/?utm_term=.84e73f36c1e2


So-called "white working class" is mad because they are becoming a minority and think their plight Hoyt Jan 2017 #1
so they are getting more desperate as the country gets more diverse? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #3
Bigotry, particularly racism, transcends class interests. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #5
so how do we get over bigotry??? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #6
For starters, we won't ever eliminate it. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #12
wow-- that's great. I didn't know that was something that existed Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #47
This kind of attitude is exactly WHY Dems lost... NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #7
Wow, you sure got that backwards. That's some mighty hefty and undeserved bashing of Democrats. JTFrog Jan 2017 #8
No he has some good points jzodda Jan 2017 #10
Thank you NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #21
You're overlooking the elephant in the room. Repugs cheat. brush Jan 2017 #29
What else is new? Did Obama just whine and give up? NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #31
Who's saying give up, or is pissing and moaning and complaining? I'm clearly saying fight... brush Jan 2017 #36
what conformity you are talking about??? Example? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #48
something at the top of my list is for Dems to call out Repub cheating more forcefully Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #49
It is very much deserved and needed NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #17
Yea, let's just not focus on Republican cheating or foreign influence. Let's keep bashing the good JTFrog Jan 2017 #18
If Democrats stopped being so goddamned exclusive NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #20
Exclusive?!? JTFrog Jan 2017 #53
Well let's deport Mexicans, trash Blacks, kill Muslims, etc., because that is what white wing Hoyt Jan 2017 #9
+1 nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #13
Oh bullshit! NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #19
What's bullshit is the narrative that says Clinton didn't talk enough about economics/jobs. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #23
This is NOT just about Hillary Clinton NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #26
Again, 80% of his supporters are Birthers. That's verifiable, not merely an assumption. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #28
Oh for fuck's sake that is not true NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #32
Okay, it's 79%. I've posted this numerous times before in response to your posts. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #42
She's associated with NAFTA BainsBane Jan 2017 #44
Did you vote for Trump? If not, then learn to read. Hoyt Jan 2017 #33
Nope, but I have relatives who did and they don't hold the views you are claiming NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #35
Voting for someone you know to be a racist, bigot, and worse is a tip off, don't you think? Hoyt Jan 2017 #37
Nor does Hillary hold the views BainsBane Jan 2017 #45
treated like they are stupid? stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #51
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #2
okay, but Hillary wasn't that weak and Trump was awful Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #4
Actually, the Dems picked up 5(?) seats in the House and 2 or three in the Senate Chitown Kev Jan 2017 #11
good point. Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #15
Senate races are statewide and can't be gerrymandered like House of Representatives districts. n/t 24601 Jan 2017 #14
right-- so what is the explanation for the GOP success? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #16
My undergrad didn't have formal majors, but was the equivalent of poly sci. My take is that there 24601 Jan 2017 #24
The repugs cheat. They always cheat. See post #29 brush Jan 2017 #30
But I think gerrymandering still impacts statewide races. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #25
Interesting article about it. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #22
Liberals are piling up in cities. LisaM Jan 2017 #27
seems like we keep hearing the Dems are going to flip these states any day Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #41
it did in Virginia and Colorado and while we still lost texas , Hillary made gains from previous JI7 Jan 2017 #43
ah, good point-- slow but incremental improvement in some states Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #50
What Have You Done For Me Berlin Vet Jan 2017 #34
yes, seriously!!! Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jan 2017 #54
In my state, Koch's, NRA and other Repubs provided millions more in TV ads wishstar Jan 2017 #38
ah yes-- the $$$ factor Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #39
A lot of people were dissatisfied with the status quo. senz Jan 2017 #46
I heard a charge made, I beleive on the Thom Hartmann radio show yesterday doc03 Jan 2017 #52
Dem's stayed home. joshcryer Jan 2017 #55
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