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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: And the 2016 Ralph Nader Award Goes to Bernie Sanders - Time.com [View all]Gothmog
(154,466 posts)159. Sanders was not vetted by the press and would have been a weak candidate
This is amusing from someone citing bogus match up polls as a reason why sanders should have been the nominee. Such polls were worthless. I know that the facts cited by Milbanks are troubling to sanders supporters but these facts are correct. No one in the press or the real world thought that Sanders had a chance of being the nominee. Sanders was soundly rejected by Jewish, African American and Latino voters and was effectively eliminated after super Tuesday in the real world
If Sanders had been the nominee, Trump would have destroyed him. Trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long gameattacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters. Given her overwhelming support from communities of colorfor example, about 70 percent of African-American voters cast their ballot for herClinton had a firewall that would be difficult for Sanders to breach....
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
The facts are clear that the silly match up polls cited are worthless because no one vetted Sanders. Sanders was simply too weak of a candidate for the press to care about. If sanders have been the nominee, Trump would have destoryed him
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And the 2016 Ralph Nader Award Goes to Bernie Sanders - Time.com [View all]
factfinder_77
Jan 2017
OP
Sanders also claimed that the election process was rigged and Trump quoted him
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#101
no, he offered unrealistic promises based on simplistic solutions which appeals to large numbers of
Bill USA
Jan 2017
#170
Three strikes was supposed to be for violent felons and the GOP took it further ...
bettyellen
Jan 2017
#9
Oh gosh no. Bernie gave ammunition to the same folks who STILL are saying
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2017
#152
Hogwash. Your hobby of making Sanders out to be a greedy money-grubbing opportunist is pathetic
ThirdEye
Jan 2017
#85
Right. According to him, bernie has to have suitcases of dirty cash stashed somewhere...
dionysus
Jan 2017
#89
The OP is mostly BS. Sanders attacks had an effect but Hillary still won the pop. vote by 3 million
brush
Jan 2017
#56
Not only is it BS. It's the same dog whistle narrative we've been hearing for 2 months.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#72
Utterly ridiculous. Clearly you have not seen his schedule. He busted his ass on the trail for her,
JudyM
Jan 2017
#137
The OP is promoting the same narrative Bernie supporters have been pushing since the election.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#94
Shout loudest + throw tantrums + don't see any bumper stickers they think they are the majority. T
factfinder_77
Jan 2017
#14
The guy who wrote this, Gil Troy, wrote one book called "Hillary Clinton, Polarizing First Lady"
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#12
It's pertinent that the man has an anti-progressive bias of VERY long standing
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#83
Yet he's promoting the same narrative that DU posters have been promoting for 2 months.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#84
It's NOT that the party should stop talking about race or talk about it less
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#141
Contrary to your assertions, Sanders policies are not that popular in the real world
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#150
Whatever else, you can never underestimate the influence Comey had on this election
world wide wally
Jan 2017
#16
That article is full-on love fest for Bill's campaigning and policies when in office. I'm sorry but
JCanete
Jan 2017
#19
we so far right right now with our new leader (DUMP) Bill Clinton looks like a radical leftist.
boston bean
Jan 2017
#130
If you actually elaborate here, some of us will actually read it. It won't be in vain, I promise. nt
JCanete
Jan 2017
#173
The OP is promoting the same narrative Bernie supporters have been pushing since the election.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#71
It isn't that Bernie's positions on various issues are unpopular or wrong. Here's the problem:
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#107
we've had this discussion before, or at least we've been conversing about it in the same threads,
JCanete
Jan 2017
#109
seriously? this is a message board and people are discussing things. I'm talking about in THIS
JCanete
Jan 2017
#120
Thanks for the conversation. This won't be up much longer, so I know you may not have the time to
JCanete
Jan 2017
#165
thanks again for the discourse! Just to answer G really quick, because I think this is important.
JCanete
Jan 2017
#167
I'll just say quickly, that if that is the root, then you would have to be suggesting that we
JCanete
Jan 2017
#171
but as to human nature where does racism get placed? What fundamental itch is it scratching?
JCanete
Jan 2017
#177
O.K., I read that. I agree with all of it and I think the candidate I backed in the primaries
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#158
Issues matter and Bernie's had broad cross-over appeal. Many Dems felt his issues mattered a great
JudyM
Jan 2017
#138
You got to be kidding-no one in the real world believe in those silly match up polls
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#123
Sanders was treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign and there was a ton of material
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#160
Polls suggest a majority support for his economic stances, but bigotry gets in the way.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#169
I think Hillary would have lost the pop vote outright if she tacked center like this.
forjusticethunders
Jan 2017
#44
It's the same narrative Bernie supporters have been promoting since the election.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#74
Sanders' agenda failed because it had no chance of being adopted in the real world
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#121
This is absolutely true. Bernie distracted Democrats with his attacks on them.
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#52
He didn't distract her. He simply never stopped fanning the flames of division.
NCTraveler
Jan 2017
#55
Ahh this one again from November. Must be running out of anti-Bernie pieces so we need repeats! nt
m-lekktor
Jan 2017
#58
It's the same narrative Bernie supporters have been promoting since the election.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#70
But of course... certain parties here at DU realize their Sanders bullshit is about to shelf expire.
Raster
Jan 2017
#79
Simplistic, and totally ignoring the numerous voter suppression tactics employed by the GOP.
guillaumeb
Jan 2017
#76
What a load of horse shit. "He pushed her too far left to prevent an effective recentering"
dionysus
Jan 2017
#87
All I know is I've heard a whole lot of people voted for Trump only because they disliked Hillary.
Vinca
Jan 2017
#92
Yeah, its obvious the Democratic party wants to continue it's long slide into ignominy
Arazi
Jan 2017
#93
After the first paragraph I had to LMOA--Really now? Bernie hurt Clinton's chances? Ugh! n/a
vaberella
Jan 2017
#174
This is just counterproductive and serves no purpose other than to divide and conquer.
AgadorSparticus
Jan 2017
#178