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2016 Postmortem
Showing Original Post only (View all)Reticence created an enthuism gap [View all]
This:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article84305332.html
Vs this:
To top it off one appointment to the DNC was Cornell West who went on to endorse Jill Stein: https://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/18/why_a_member_of_the_democratic
I had misgivings about Clinton's inability to fill stadiums. I feel that Sanders should have used his star power immediately to fill stadiums with her.
Did the Clinton campaign fuck up by not requesting he do that? Probably. But it took Clinton 4 days to concede in 2008 after she had been mathematically eliminated and she came out in full support of Obama, with loud, strong speeches on his behalf. In stark contrast, it took Sanders 8 weeks and 3 days to do it, and then, only after demanding concessions on the platform, concessions for the DNC appointments (again one of whom later endorsed Jill Stein), and only one joint campaign event where they were on the same podium together.
This is not rehashing the primaries. This is after the primaries were over. Sanders' lack of support for Clinton, reticence, was a huge factor in why she lost those rust belt states. The very states that Sanders would've been able to bring out voters.
There are of course many other factors that should be accounted for, like a denial on the campaign's side that they even needed to focus on those rust belt states at all (Bill Clinton reportedly wanted it to happen). But if Sanders had supported Clinton out of the gate that denial may not have happened and they may have addressed that voting bloc. It did not help that Trump repeatedly used Sanders to attack Clinton, which would not have worked if he was out there, from day 1 of her winning the nomination, supporting her in every way, like she did for Obama in 2008.
I post this now because I want my statements to be archived. I know what Hillary Clinton did for Obama in 2008. And I am saddened that Sanders did not do the same for Clinton in 2016.
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agreements between Obama and Clinton were almost certainly made to achieve that result, or at least
JCanete
Jan 2017
#3
no, they were not nice, they were assholes . booing her during her convention speech
JI7
Jan 2017
#8
it was more than a few. i'm sure they cheered when trump won. just look at that website
JI7
Jan 2017
#11
that's my point. those types made up many "bernie supporters" although i said their
JI7
Jan 2017
#14
wow...so that was rude. I didn't peddle a rumor. I wasn't referring to a rumor. I'm not even
JCanete
Jan 2017
#21
This is politics. Every cabinet position that is filled is a consideration of politics. Each is
JCanete
Jan 2017
#38
Any version of that kind of talk is not substantiated by any credible information out there..
JHan
Jan 2017
#39
are you saying right now that people don't negotiate things in Washington? You are focusing solely
JCanete
Jan 2017
#42
I don't think you can accept that politics is a reality, and then say all that matters is
JCanete
Jan 2017
#54
Sorry, we remember that Obama had to work very hard to convince her to sign on as SOS
emulatorloo
Jan 2017
#46
Sanders attacked Hillary Clinton and trump directly and accurately quoted Sanders attacks. In the r
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#29
The system is rigged. It really really is Goth. That you are part of the Democratic Establishment
JCanete
Jan 2017
#37
You really believe that change just happens from inside without a push from the outside to make it
JCanete
Jan 2017
#47
That article about Cory's vote shows that it wasn't a "battle of hastings" to fight..
JHan
Jan 2017
#49
Yes, but a fundamental component to knowing you're on the right track with your insider politicians
JCanete
Jan 2017
#53
corporate media has an agenda oh yes, but also the resources to blast it everywhere, in every
JCanete
Jan 2017
#58
Look, I've never felt like Clinton has been leading a charge on any of those things. If she has
JCanete
Jan 2017
#60
we're missing each others...my opinion is that we won't have good candidates if we don't demand that
JCanete
Jan 2017
#62
Oh fuck.. I never said the primary process was rigged by the way. OUR ENTIRE SYTEM IS RIGGED.
JCanete
Jan 2017
#50
what's interesting is that the White Working Class Supported Hillary over Obama in 2008
JI7
Jan 2017
#7
Bernie's not ruthless. But Weaver's incompetent. Went from issues to scorched earth
emulatorloo
Jan 2017
#48
there was massive hacking, or people lied in exit polls and pre-election polls or both
Fast Walker 52
Jan 2017
#40
Don't you get it Josh? Only women are expected to concede and help the man win.
boston bean
Jan 2017
#33