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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: And the 2016 Ralph Nader Award Goes to Bernie Sanders - Time.com [View all]Gothmog
(154,466 posts)60. Bernie Sanders was on the ballot and unperformed Clinton
Actually, sanders was on the ballot and preformed poorly. https://extranewsfeed.com/bernie-sanders-was-on-the-2016-ballot-and-he-underperformed-hillary-clinton-3b561e8cb779#.jbtsa3epl
Of course, this narrative ignores the facts that despite Clintons supposed flaws, she easily defeated Sanders in the primary via the pledged delegate count, that Sanders inability to convince minority voters doomed his campaign for the nomination, and that the attempt to use superdelegates to override the popular vote was an undemocratic power grab.
And the white workers whose supposed hate for corporate interests led them to vote for Trump? They dont seem upset that Trump has installed three Goldman Sachs executives in his administration. They dont seem to be angry that Trumps cabinet is the wealthiest in US history. And we havent heard any discontent from the white working class over Trump choosing an Exxon Mobil CEO for Secretary of State.
The devil is in the details, and at first glance, it is easy to see why so many people can believe that Bernie actually would have won. He got a great deal of positive media coverage as the underdog early on, especially with Republicans deliberately eschewing attacks on him in favor of attacks on Clinton. His supporters also trended younger and whiter, demographics that tend to be more visible in the media around election time. A highly energized and vocal minority of Sanders supporters dominated social media, helping him win online polls by huge margins.
But at some point, you have to put away the narrative and actually evaluate performance. This happens in sports all the time, especially with hyped up amateur college prospects before they go pro. Big time college players are often surrounded by an aura, a narrative of sorts, which pushes many casual observers to believe their college skills will translate to success on the next level. But professional teams have to evaluate the performance of these amateur players to determine if they can have success as professionals, regardless what the narrative surrounding them in college was. A college player with a lot of hype isnt necessarily going to succeed professionally. In fact, some of the most hyped up prospects have the most underwhelming performances at the next level. In the same vein, we can evaluate Sanders performance in 2016 and determine whether his platform is ready for the next level. Sanders endorsed a plethora of candidates and initiatives across the country, in coastal states and Rust Belt states. He campaigned for these candidates and initiatives because they represented his platform and his vision for the future of the Democratic Party. In essence, Bernie Sanders was on the 2016 ballot. Lets take a look at how he performed.
And the white workers whose supposed hate for corporate interests led them to vote for Trump? They dont seem upset that Trump has installed three Goldman Sachs executives in his administration. They dont seem to be angry that Trumps cabinet is the wealthiest in US history. And we havent heard any discontent from the white working class over Trump choosing an Exxon Mobil CEO for Secretary of State.
The devil is in the details, and at first glance, it is easy to see why so many people can believe that Bernie actually would have won. He got a great deal of positive media coverage as the underdog early on, especially with Republicans deliberately eschewing attacks on him in favor of attacks on Clinton. His supporters also trended younger and whiter, demographics that tend to be more visible in the media around election time. A highly energized and vocal minority of Sanders supporters dominated social media, helping him win online polls by huge margins.
But at some point, you have to put away the narrative and actually evaluate performance. This happens in sports all the time, especially with hyped up amateur college prospects before they go pro. Big time college players are often surrounded by an aura, a narrative of sorts, which pushes many casual observers to believe their college skills will translate to success on the next level. But professional teams have to evaluate the performance of these amateur players to determine if they can have success as professionals, regardless what the narrative surrounding them in college was. A college player with a lot of hype isnt necessarily going to succeed professionally. In fact, some of the most hyped up prospects have the most underwhelming performances at the next level. In the same vein, we can evaluate Sanders performance in 2016 and determine whether his platform is ready for the next level. Sanders endorsed a plethora of candidates and initiatives across the country, in coastal states and Rust Belt states. He campaigned for these candidates and initiatives because they represented his platform and his vision for the future of the Democratic Party. In essence, Bernie Sanders was on the 2016 ballot. Lets take a look at how he performed.
After looking at a number of races where sanders supported candidates under perform Hillary Clinton, that author makes a strong closing
If Sanders is so clearly the future of the Democratic Party, then why is his platform not resonating in diverse blue states like California and Colorado, where the Democratic base resides? Why are his candidates losing in the Rust Belt, where displaced white factory workers are supposed to be sympathetic to his message on trade? The key implication Sanders backers usually point to is that his agenda is supposed to not only energize the Democratic base, but bring over the white working class, which largely skews Republican. Universal healthcare, free college, a national $15 minimum wage, and government controlled prescription drug costs are supposed to be the policies that bring back a white working class that has gone conservative since Democrats passed Civil Rights. Sanders spent $40 million a month during the primary, and was largely visible during the general, pushing his candidates and his agenda across the country. The results were not good specifically in regards to the white working class. The white working class did not turnout for Feingold in Wisconsin, or for universal healthcare in Colorado. Instead, they voted against Bernies platform, and voted for regular big business Republicans.
Why did Sanders underperform Clinton significantly throughout 2016 first in the primaries, and then with his candidates and initiatives in the general? If Sanders platform and candidates had lost, but performed better than Clinton, than that would be an indicator that perhaps he was on to something. If they had actually won, then he could really claim to have momentum. But instead, we saw the opposite result: Sanders platform lost, and lost by much bigger margins than Clinton did. It even lost in states Clinton won big. What does that tell us about the future of the Democratic Party? Well, perhaps we need to acknowledge that the Bernie Sanders platform just isnt as popular as its made out to be.
Why did Sanders underperform Clinton significantly throughout 2016 first in the primaries, and then with his candidates and initiatives in the general? If Sanders platform and candidates had lost, but performed better than Clinton, than that would be an indicator that perhaps he was on to something. If they had actually won, then he could really claim to have momentum. But instead, we saw the opposite result: Sanders platform lost, and lost by much bigger margins than Clinton did. It even lost in states Clinton won big. What does that tell us about the future of the Democratic Party? Well, perhaps we need to acknowledge that the Bernie Sanders platform just isnt as popular as its made out to be.
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And the 2016 Ralph Nader Award Goes to Bernie Sanders - Time.com [View all]
factfinder_77
Jan 2017
OP
Sanders also claimed that the election process was rigged and Trump quoted him
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#101
no, he offered unrealistic promises based on simplistic solutions which appeals to large numbers of
Bill USA
Jan 2017
#170
Three strikes was supposed to be for violent felons and the GOP took it further ...
bettyellen
Jan 2017
#9
Oh gosh no. Bernie gave ammunition to the same folks who STILL are saying
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2017
#152
Hogwash. Your hobby of making Sanders out to be a greedy money-grubbing opportunist is pathetic
ThirdEye
Jan 2017
#85
Right. According to him, bernie has to have suitcases of dirty cash stashed somewhere...
dionysus
Jan 2017
#89
The OP is mostly BS. Sanders attacks had an effect but Hillary still won the pop. vote by 3 million
brush
Jan 2017
#56
Not only is it BS. It's the same dog whistle narrative we've been hearing for 2 months.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#72
Utterly ridiculous. Clearly you have not seen his schedule. He busted his ass on the trail for her,
JudyM
Jan 2017
#137
The OP is promoting the same narrative Bernie supporters have been pushing since the election.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#94
Shout loudest + throw tantrums + don't see any bumper stickers they think they are the majority. T
factfinder_77
Jan 2017
#14
The guy who wrote this, Gil Troy, wrote one book called "Hillary Clinton, Polarizing First Lady"
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#12
It's pertinent that the man has an anti-progressive bias of VERY long standing
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#83
Yet he's promoting the same narrative that DU posters have been promoting for 2 months.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#84
It's NOT that the party should stop talking about race or talk about it less
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#141
Contrary to your assertions, Sanders policies are not that popular in the real world
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#150
Whatever else, you can never underestimate the influence Comey had on this election
world wide wally
Jan 2017
#16
That article is full-on love fest for Bill's campaigning and policies when in office. I'm sorry but
JCanete
Jan 2017
#19
we so far right right now with our new leader (DUMP) Bill Clinton looks like a radical leftist.
boston bean
Jan 2017
#130
If you actually elaborate here, some of us will actually read it. It won't be in vain, I promise. nt
JCanete
Jan 2017
#173
The OP is promoting the same narrative Bernie supporters have been pushing since the election.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#71
It isn't that Bernie's positions on various issues are unpopular or wrong. Here's the problem:
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#107
we've had this discussion before, or at least we've been conversing about it in the same threads,
JCanete
Jan 2017
#109
seriously? this is a message board and people are discussing things. I'm talking about in THIS
JCanete
Jan 2017
#120
Thanks for the conversation. This won't be up much longer, so I know you may not have the time to
JCanete
Jan 2017
#165
thanks again for the discourse! Just to answer G really quick, because I think this is important.
JCanete
Jan 2017
#167
I'll just say quickly, that if that is the root, then you would have to be suggesting that we
JCanete
Jan 2017
#171
but as to human nature where does racism get placed? What fundamental itch is it scratching?
JCanete
Jan 2017
#177
O.K., I read that. I agree with all of it and I think the candidate I backed in the primaries
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#158
Issues matter and Bernie's had broad cross-over appeal. Many Dems felt his issues mattered a great
JudyM
Jan 2017
#138
You got to be kidding-no one in the real world believe in those silly match up polls
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#123
Sanders was treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign and there was a ton of material
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#160
Polls suggest a majority support for his economic stances, but bigotry gets in the way.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#169
I think Hillary would have lost the pop vote outright if she tacked center like this.
forjusticethunders
Jan 2017
#44
It's the same narrative Bernie supporters have been promoting since the election.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#74
Sanders' agenda failed because it had no chance of being adopted in the real world
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#121
This is absolutely true. Bernie distracted Democrats with his attacks on them.
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#52
He didn't distract her. He simply never stopped fanning the flames of division.
NCTraveler
Jan 2017
#55
Ahh this one again from November. Must be running out of anti-Bernie pieces so we need repeats! nt
m-lekktor
Jan 2017
#58
It's the same narrative Bernie supporters have been promoting since the election.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#70
But of course... certain parties here at DU realize their Sanders bullshit is about to shelf expire.
Raster
Jan 2017
#79
Simplistic, and totally ignoring the numerous voter suppression tactics employed by the GOP.
guillaumeb
Jan 2017
#76
What a load of horse shit. "He pushed her too far left to prevent an effective recentering"
dionysus
Jan 2017
#87
All I know is I've heard a whole lot of people voted for Trump only because they disliked Hillary.
Vinca
Jan 2017
#92
Yeah, its obvious the Democratic party wants to continue it's long slide into ignominy
Arazi
Jan 2017
#93
After the first paragraph I had to LMOA--Really now? Bernie hurt Clinton's chances? Ugh! n/a
vaberella
Jan 2017
#174
This is just counterproductive and serves no purpose other than to divide and conquer.
AgadorSparticus
Jan 2017
#178