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2016 Postmortem

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Willie Pep

(841 posts)
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 01:33 AM Jan 2017

My friend the non-voter and why so many stayed home. [View all]

I recently had a conversation with a friend of mine who I have not seen in a while. We eventually started to discuss politics. He talked about how much he dislikes Trump because he is a racist and a misogynist who mistreats women. He also mentioned that he is very worried about Trump's ties to Russia and the people he is choosing for his administration like Jeff Sessions and Rex Tillerson.

I assumed that he voted for Clinton but then he stated that he didn't vote at all! Not even in the other races. When I asked him why he said that he felt that Hillary was too corrupt. The emails were the big issue for him. My friend typically votes for the Democrats and is a big fan of Obama because he sees him as a good man with strong moral qualities. He isn't super left-wing. He even said that he disliked Sanders because he thought he was too much of a socialist for his liking. So he is not a Bernie or Bust guy.

I wonder how typical my friend is for the group of people who usually vote for the Democrats but sat out this election. He is an older Millennial in his early 30s and a college graduate but not affluent.

Do you think that my friend fits the profile of the typical non-voter from 2016? Do you think my anecdote shows the effectiveness of the email story in hurting Clinton? What I found interesting was how much emphasis he put on the moral integrity of the candidates.

Anyway, I thought this was an interesting anecdote and I wanted to see if this could help us discuss why so many people who should have come out for the Democrats stayed home.

EDIT: Oh and to complete the demographic profile, my friend is a white guy and a practicing Roman Catholic.

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It was all emails and "everyone hates her" repeated over and over again for months..... bettyellen Jan 2017 #1
PROPAGANDA done well. MaeScott Jan 2017 #40
Months? YEARS. hollowdweller Jan 2017 #41
Willie Pep? Hoyt Jan 2017 #2
Yep! Willie Pep Jan 2017 #4
millions just like your friend stayed home, for the same reasons putitinD Jan 2017 #3
Funny how an allegedly intelligent person fell for the email crock brush Jan 2017 #43
This!!!!! check077 Jan 2017 #45
So some of these non voters claim Doreen Jan 2017 #5
They didn't need to believe Trump. The MSM ran with RW anti-Hillary propaganda tblue37 Jan 2017 #14
You can't really blame the MSM totally The REAL BLAME lays with the Pubs They HATE her, & napi21 Jan 2017 #22
Joediss Joediss Jan 2017 #28
I have ZERO respect for anyone who didn't vote LibraLiz1973 Jan 2017 #6
+1000 oasis Jan 2017 #17
+10,000 Nonhlanhla Jan 2017 #34
To continue the trend, BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #39
Agree! check077 Jan 2017 #46
Hopefully by the time his 60 he will realize his mistake.... Historic NY Jan 2017 #7
ding ding ding! You nailed it LibraLiz1973 Jan 2017 #10
Bill Clinton said it best and it fell on deaf ears............ Historic NY Jan 2017 #15
I don't think he'll do anything any of the other rethugs wouldn't do. dionysus Jan 2017 #18
I think his stance on Russia guarantees he'll do things they wouldn't LibraLiz1973 Jan 2017 #21
And China- I'm wondering if his deals were going bad there or they wanted to recall loans or bettyellen Jan 2017 #49
Sorry for the bitchy tone, BTW LibraLiz1973 Jan 2017 #8
No worries. Willie Pep Jan 2017 #11
That's some Fox News BS LibraLiz1973 Jan 2017 #20
The emails/Clinton foundation were both fake scandals. He just doesn't want to own up to fucking up. brush Jan 2017 #44
AMEN! nt SylviaD Jan 2017 #53
I heard a lot of the same from 2naSalit Jan 2017 #9
Please slap your friend in the face with a dead trout Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #12
The right has a huge, raucous, screaming propaganda machine. Kablooie Jan 2017 #13
Keyword repeated through post "He". Just another guy making excuses for their sexism. TeamPooka Jan 2017 #16
these type of people are followers . they try to act like nobody is good enough but their reasons JI7 Jan 2017 #19
United steel workers ConSciousReset Jan 2017 #23
Emails BainsBane Jan 2017 #24
I have a neighbor who didn't vote because she knew here in Connecticut Hillary m-lekktor Jan 2017 #25
Yes, I think the electoral college discourages people from voting Zing Zing Zingbah Jan 2017 #36
I completely agree.nt m-lekktor Jan 2017 #37
46% of eligible voters did not vote after a crazy man spent 18 months spewing hatred and lies. Trust Buster Jan 2017 #26
Does he pay his parents rent or stay at their house for free? nt LexVegas Jan 2017 #27
What a terrible thing it would have been, to have had a President who used email. dawg Jan 2017 #29
I've crossed off all Hillary-haters and non-voters from my "Friends" list. Paladin Jan 2017 #30
This sounds like the typical voted for Trump but won't admit it kcr Jan 2017 #31
This is what I don't get. Assuming for the sake of argument Hillary is corrupt, why would you Vinca Jan 2017 #32
Because he's new hollowdweller Jan 2017 #42
That doesn't make any sense. betsuni Jan 2017 #33
Your friend is too picky. Zing Zing Zingbah Jan 2017 #35
The problem was MichMary Jan 2017 #38
The media kept pounding the fact that they azmom Jan 2017 #47
My son who is a big Ron Paul type ribrepin Jan 2017 #48
Was He Bombarded w/anti-Hillary Memes? otohara Jan 2017 #50
Sorry but after watching that maggot during the primary and thinking you should give him any onecaliberal Jan 2017 #51
I weep for humanity Generator Jan 2017 #56
And he's not stupid because.... Iggo Jan 2017 #52
I have a good friend who also didn't vote this election time. I was stunned because I figured all CTyankee Jan 2017 #54
If you have the capacity to acknowledge that Trump is a racist misogynist... SaschaHM Jan 2017 #55
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