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55. You say you're a former law student. You should ask for your money back
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:39 AM
Jan 2017

Last edited Sun Jan 15, 2017, 09:20 AM - Edit history (1)

First, at most the AG can work with the US Attorney's office to determine whether to commence a prosecution, which will generally require a grand jury.

Second, the written principles guiding federal prosecutions require that there be a determination of probable cause -- and in this instance, given the Constitutional limitations on treason charges -- no prosecution for treason could be brought.

Third, the case you presume to have brought wouldn't start at the SCOTUS. The SCOTUS' original jurisdiction is very limited.

Fourth, in a couple of posts you reference a court case in which a district court judge reversed the outcome of an state legislative election after a lengthy trial involving the presentation of evidence of election fraud (including admissions by several parties directly involved in the fraud) as well as evidence establishing to the court's satisfaction that disallowing the fraudulent votes (absentee ballots) would have resulted in the election of the candidate who lost because of the fraudulent votes. The facts of that case are not remotely similar to the situation currently confronting us and the suggestion that it stands as precedent for the same remedy in a case involving a presidential election (which unlike state legislative elections are governed by the US Constitution and, also, are not resolved based on who gets a plurality of the popular vote) is baseless.

Fifth, its unimaginable that someone could complete law school and think that a decision by the Supreme Court to deny certiorari (which is what happened in the Marks v. Stinson case referenced above) constitutes a decision to "uphold" the result in such case. As the Supreme Court, expressing some frustration with such claims, explained: 'Inasmuch, therefore, as all that a denial of a petition for a writ of certiorari means is that fewer than four members of the Court thought it should be granted, this Court has rigorously insisted that such a denial carries with it no implication whatever regarding the Court's views on the merits of a case which it has declined to review. The Court has said this again and again; again and again the admonition has to be repeated. The one thing that can be said with certainty about the Court's denial of [a petition for certiorari]is that it does not remotely imply approval or disapproval of what was said by the [court below]."

Finally, you somehow think that if your plan, and I use that term as loosely as its ever been used in history, works, Hillary Clinton will be president. Again, Constitution. Unlike the Marks v. Stinson case, there is a Constitutional provision that addresses what happens if the president elect can't take office on January 20. And it doesn't provide for the losing candidate to take over.

Lynch and Obama should have fired Comey way back when vlyons Jan 2017 #1
Yes. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #2
Have no idea of legality triron Jan 2017 #3
Crazy circumstances - perhaps requiring ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #4
Maybe there is a genius somewhere triron Jan 2017 #6
I'd love to read in history books that Obama ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #15
With Justice Kennedy? longship Jan 2017 #33
What I'm interested in is finding any - even out of the box solutions ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #36
Than you should clearly understand that POTUS' surrogate to SCOTUS is the Soliciter General... longship Jan 2017 #37
Don't worry, LS - I will likely not get to be POTUS to try out my hypothesis, ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #41
I did not laugh at you, my friend. longship Jan 2017 #48
Glad that you are ardent about this! triron Jan 2017 #38
Thanks for that. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #42
First there has to be a case!! And you damned well know it longship Jan 2017 #49
By this point, it is embarrassing for DU. My cat is facepawing. dionysus Jan 2017 #62
Lynch could have stopped Comey right before the election. She didn't. jalan48 Jan 2017 #5
Because more evidence has now come to light! ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #7
She was Comey's boss. She could have told him not to release the "new" info on Clinton's emails. jalan48 Jan 2017 #14
You may be right but no one knows that for a fact. She could... ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #21
I would like it to be the case but her past actions say no. jalan48 Jan 2017 #34
Tend to agree with you on this, Wellstone ruled Jan 2017 #27
I say let 'em launch ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #30
Adventure! Melodrama! Escape from... reality! Welcome to GD:P dionysus Jan 2017 #66
That would be President Pence shadowrider Jan 2017 #8
"Point of order" - Point of reality. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2017 #9
There isn't much "reality" ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #11
There's plenty of reality that many people can't accept. PoliticAverse Jan 2017 #12
The "Reality" is that the Supreme Court can rule as they please ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #19
The reality is that folks like Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan onenote Jan 2017 #56
Pence cannot become President without becoming Vice-President ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #10
You might want to read the 20th Amendment to the US Consitution, it disagrees with you Lurks Often Jan 2017 #23
Lurks, I just read it - thank you. This is a very convoluted argument, but ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #25
No the House of Representatives would then determine who becomes President Lurks Often Jan 2017 #29
No. The House only chooses if the President-elect dies and there is not a Vice-President elect ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #35
You have a very flawed understanding of the 20th amendment. onenote Jan 2017 #57
Unless the was good evidence triron Jan 2017 #32
Duty to Act not SCOTUS' zagamet Jan 2017 #13
Right. But Wrong. Show me where in the Constitution ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #17
While I think the Court decided Bush v. Gore incorrectly onenote Jan 2017 #58
"he would be arrested, and he would not be sworn in as President on Jan. 20th" PoliticAverse Jan 2017 #16
There doesn't have to be. The Supreme Court can (AND DOES) rule as they please. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #18
And then what? zagamet Jan 2017 #28
Trump was not elected by the American people ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #44
I think that the AG position is just ceremonial these days. They have no power. CentralMass Jan 2017 #20
Not true. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #22
There is no recent demonstrable proof of that CentralMass Jan 2017 #43
Agreed. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #47
Are you feeling ok??? greytdemocrat Jan 2017 #24
Definitely not!! ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #26
There is NO political, legal or judicial solution to a coup. underthematrix Jan 2017 #31
Thank you! fleur-de-lisa Jan 2017 #40
We certainly are in uncharted waters... ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #45
You may be correct, and T. Jefferson might concur... ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #46
This is false.... Put those who are part of the cout on jail before they're put in office uponit7771 Jan 2017 #51
Yep! triron Jan 2017 #52
Tell me how you think that would happen underthematrix Jan 2017 #53
+1 2naSalit Jan 2017 #76
grand jury cjbgreen Jan 2017 #39
Any good prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a HAM sandwich. - Sol Wachtler Brother Buzz Jan 2017 #50
have you ever been on a grand jury? onenote Jan 2017 #59
No, and no, but I understand a good prosecutor can be very persuasive Brother Buzz Jan 2017 #60
knr triron Jan 2017 #54
You say you're a former law student. You should ask for your money back onenote Jan 2017 #55
What are the Constitutional limitations on treason charges? Just interested. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #64
Link. onenote Jan 2017 #67
This "idea" of mine is admittedly a desperate one... ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #69
It's not desperate, it's a fantasy Lurks Often Jan 2017 #72
Perhaps. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #73
And I appreciate your more measured tone. onenote Jan 2017 #74
I understand where you're coming from...reality. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #75
That will never happen - but the American people, when they have had enough of this can Dan Jan 2017 #61
Good post, Dan. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #71
Good lord, this is the most foolish thing i've read today. dionysus Jan 2017 #63
Welcome to the 2016 Postmortem forum! FBaggins Jan 2017 #65
Try reading your President-elect's tweets for this day - or any day! ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #70
Everybody is afraid to act. They do not know what to do. UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #68
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #77
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