2016 Postmortem

Gothmog

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29. The Sanders wing is not destined to become the dominant faction in the Democratic Party

Reply to Ken Burch (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 10, 2017, 05:58 PM

Jan 2017

The premise of this thread is false

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To Sanders supporters FROM a Sanders supporter: please stop saying Bernie should've got the nom. [View all] Ken Burch Jan 2017 OP

Well said, but also remember that what gets said on DU has absolutely nothing to do... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #1

The DNC had nothing to do with the fact that Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected Gothmog Jan 2017 #2

That "rejected" framing is still loaded and silly. Orsino Jan 2017 #3

You don't actually read that Gish Gallop, do you? Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #4

The Demographics mentioned voted overwhelming against Sanders Gothmog Jan 2017 #10

Hillary brought up the ghost Bobby Kennedy to justify why she was staying in the race in 2008 NWCorona Jan 2017 #13

That never happened. She wasn't even answering a question about whether she could still win. StevieM Jan 2017 #17

What are you talking about? She was talking about people trying to push her out of the race NWCorona Jan 2017 #19

Yes, and that was a long time ago! She dropped that "ghost of Bobby Kennedy" more than a month... George II Jan 2017 #33

I would think it's obvious to all but the diehard Bernie haters. NWCorona Jan 2017 #35

Then why bring up what she said more than a month before the convention, and a few days.... George II Jan 2017 #36

Like I said. To show that Hillary chose to stay in the race even tho the math was against her NWCorona Jan 2017 #39

And Sanders chose to stay in the race ONE MONTH LONGER for the same "reason"! George II Jan 2017 #43

Yes he did. It didn't bother me that Hillary stayed in either. In fact it pissed me off NWCorona Jan 2017 #46

Hillary herself has been quote gracious to bernie himself, and his camp. Nt dionysus Jan 2017 #99

Well, some people as sure as hell being sore winners... i remember when Obama came in and dionysus Jan 2017 #98

I don't know what you consider "modern times". former9thward Jan 2017 #67

That was 36 years ago. George II Jan 2017 #68

Wow, you're right! former9thward Jan 2017 #69

Politically speaking that was a very long time, and Kennedy got shredded for what he did. BUT.... George II Jan 2017 #71

You're right, people saw this in 1980: former9thward Jan 2017 #76

But Kennedy DID withdraw before the first ballot, Sanders waited until more than halfway through.... George II Jan 2017 #92

Sanders has been faithfully voting for Democratic leadership in the House and Senate former9thward Jan 2017 #93

I was not even born yet bravenak Jan 2017 #126

I was 33.............. George II Jan 2017 #128

A good age!! bravenak Jan 2017 #129

And Kennedy's actions help elect Reagan Gothmog Jan 2017 #73

Sanders' own wife admitted they stayed on because they hoped R B Garr Jan 2017 #78

In 2008 Hillary conceded the month before the convention. Bernie hung on pnwmom Jan 2017 #150

Come on pnwmom. We both know that those people never would have NWCorona Jan 2017 #161

Why don't you compare the time line of the 2008 vs. 2016 process Gothmog Jan 2017 #72

Again with the timeline? Is that all you have because you use use it ad nauseum NWCorona Jan 2017 #74

This isn't about Bernie anymore. It isn't about the primaries anymore. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #59

And yet, despite all the claims in your post Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #6

It's funny, isn't it? Tatiana Jan 2017 #9

"Sticking it to Trump"? Just yesterday he was lecturing Democrats that they should NOT do so. George II Jan 2017 #34

Always Warning Democrats Isn't He? otohara Jan 2017 #41

Ditto. George II Jan 2017 #44

That's fine but does the campaign get to shoulder some of the blame as well? NWCorona Jan 2017 #47

Sanders is busy selling books and is not attacking trump Gothmog Jan 2017 #64

I said somewhere else that he's starting to look more like Joe Lieberman every day. George II Jan 2017 #65

Oh fuck him for that. No wonder he's been so silent on Sessions and That piece of shit from Exxon! bettyellen Jan 2017 #81

Just wow! And what's Hillary been doing? InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #154

She is NOT in the senate now. She ain't where you or Trump bettyellen Jan 2017 #158

Sanders is not immune to criticism... he needs to stay home too, as should all Dems. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #164

He's everywhere now because he's selling a book. He was no where to be found lapucelle Jan 2017 #155

Sander is busy selling books-that is not the same as leadership Gothmog Jan 2017 #27

Keep telling yourself that Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #42

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Jan 2017 #52

Gave 2 as Christmas gifts Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #54

It is too bad that Ellison's chances are zilch due to being a sanders puppet Gothmog Jan 2017 #55

Honestly, a seat at the table is fine - but not at the head... bettyellen Jan 2017 #82

It is no lock for Ellison, but unless things have changed, Schumer has endorsed him, and that does still_one Jan 2017 #86

The ADL and major fund raisers have objected to Ellison Gothmog Jan 2017 #89

I am aware of that Goth still_one Jan 2017 #94

"Hell of a way to sell books"? It worked on you. Twice. lapucelle Jan 2017 #160

You tell em... Bernie is the example all future Democratic candidates should follow. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #156

Schumer knows exactly what to do with Sanders. lapucelle Jan 2017 #157

"de facto voice of the Democratic Party"? Who declared that? George II Jan 2017 #37

There is no factual support for this amusing claim Gothmog Jan 2017 #38

No evidence other than the fact Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #49

Sanders is selling books Gothmog Jan 2017 #56

Just like Trump? Headline grabbing is your criteria? Not mine. bettyellen Jan 2017 #83

The non-Democrat dominating the airwaves and social media is Trump, lapucelle Jan 2017 #159

While you were busy looking in the rear view mirror Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #40

How specifically has he "stepped up to fill the leadership vacuum"? And just what is that "vacuum"? George II Jan 2017 #45

With HRC out of the spotlight, and Obama days away from leaving office Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #48

So then, you can't be specific or cite one single act of "leadership". I see. George II Jan 2017 #51

Does yesterday's town hall, or his support at Standing Rock count? Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #53

Thanks! tecelote Jan 2017 #101

Surely you have some metrics from which you made those assumptions? --- George II Jan 2017 #91

Has Sanders commented on John Lewis yet? Gothmog Jan 2017 #103

There is no reason for you to have reposted that here. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #7

It's all the poster has left. NWCorona Jan 2017 #14

The Sanders wing is not destined to become the dominant faction in the Democratic Party Gothmog Jan 2017 #29

I didn't say it was "destined" and you know it. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #57

You are wrong yet again and you are trying to cover it up by changing OP Gothmog Jan 2017 #62

I didn't ever make that claim. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #84

What is so sad is that you think that anyone cares about the Sanders could win thread Gothmog Jan 2017 #100

You posted another response to this post showing you did care about such threads. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #108

No, I enjoy poking holes in the attempt at logic of these thread Gothmog Jan 2017 #110

amen HRC2020 Jan 2017 #21

We will need every vote we can get(and neither HRC nor Bernie will run again). Ken Burch Jan 2017 #85

As strident a Clinton supporter as I have been, there is zero chance she is going to be the nominee Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #90

Indeed. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #96

Excellent post NastyRiffraff Jan 2017 #28

I see you have your cut and paste on your desktop ready dionysus Jan 2017 #97

Bernie supporter here as well, and totally agree. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #5

Thank you. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #8

IMHO, what hurt Bernie the most in the primaries was the vitriol by some of his still_one Jan 2017 #11

since the time I've been here, there's been vitriol on both sides, and that was pretty JCanete Jan 2017 #12

I guess the heckling of John Lewis, the hate mail to Planned Parenthood, and still_one Jan 2017 #18

I agree that some, not all, said horrible things Ken Burch Jan 2017 #20

I understand Ken, and that was my first comment, it was not meant to reopen the still_one Jan 2017 #23

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #60

You got to be kidding-the Clinton campaign treated Sanders with kid gloves Gothmog Jan 2017 #30

Are you going to keep this up until everyone even vaguely associated with the Sanders campaign Ken Burch Jan 2017 #61

Your rather amusing claim that both sides did this is false Gothmog Jan 2017 #63

Had a long post, but in the interest of not rehashing this erased it. To going forward. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #22

Then just to that point, that was the focus of my first comment, which was short still_one Jan 2017 #25

Give me a break melman Jan 2017 #88

I haven't seen any posts containing anti semitic remarks that received a lot of recommendations still_one Jan 2017 #95

The premise that the Sanders wing is destined to control the Democratic party is not true Gothmog Jan 2017 #15

I didn't say the Sanders wing was "destined" to take over the party. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #16

Ken you changed your op to cover up the fact that you used such language Gothmog Jan 2017 #70

"If we were" is NOT the same as "we are destined" Ken Burch Jan 2017 #75

The "No TPP" language was omitted from the platform in order not to embarrass a sitting Democratic lapucelle Jan 2017 #162

I admire President Obama, but he should have just withdrawn the proposal Ken Burch Jan 2017 #167

I agree with you about Obama and McAuliffe. lapucelle Jan 2017 #168

I don't know Goth. I suspect a good number of us, I know I have, edit a post because the phrasing still_one Jan 2017 #87

Well yes I still have resentment over how the nomination was handled mvd Jan 2017 #24

Great post Ken. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #26

Thanks. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #79

Good points, you may want to send that to Sanders himself. Thank you. George II Jan 2017 #31

It is so hard to rise above isn't it? I kind of fell into that trap in this thread too. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #32

I am still thinking the majority will rule the DNC, it works better when the majority is in control. Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #50

This isn't Sanders v. Clinton Ken Burch Jan 2017 #58

And yet Sanders lost the primary by almost 4 million votes Gothmog Jan 2017 #66

Which, at this point, doesn't matter. 2016 is the past. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #77

I supported Hillary from start to finish CaliforniaLove Jan 2017 #80

I can't help but think to myself "damn, maybe if Sanders hadn't spend Fresh_Start Jan 2017 #102

True also CaliforniaLove Jan 2017 #106

The Sanders would have won threads are meaningless Gothmog Jan 2017 #104

Again, I'm arguing that Sanders people shouldn't be posting those threads anymore. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #107

You are using a rather weak straw man argument Gothmog Jan 2017 #109

There was no straw man in the OP. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #113

The OP was nothing but a straw man Gothmog Jan 2017 #114

The OP was directed AT Sanders supporters. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #118

Then do it on the Sanders page Gothmog Jan 2017 #125

It's enough to say that what was done re: PP and HRC and Lewis shouldn't have been done. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #119

If you look at the facts, sanders ran not to win the nomination but to get media coverage Gothmog Jan 2017 #124

Bernie wasn't mathematically eliminated on Super Tuesday. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #131

The math is the math-Sanders was really effectively eliminated on Super Tuesday Gothmog Jan 2017 #133

We're past that now. The math no longer matters. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #137

If your goal is unity, then stop using a straw man and address the issues set forth on this thread Gothmog Jan 2017 #146

Do you understand that I was asking people to STOP posting the threads you object to? Ken Burch Jan 2017 #149

I do not object to these threads because such threads are too silly to take seriously Gothmog Jan 2017 #153

Goth is stuck on repeat. Somebody has to do some debugging. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #111

Have you purchased Sanders latest book yet? Gothmog Jan 2017 #115

well don't make my case for me...nt JCanete Jan 2017 #117

I argue that the party should embrace what we stand for... HopeAgain Jan 2017 #105

If Sanders supporters want others to embrace Sanders Gothmog Jan 2017 #112

I addressed those in this thread. I said they shouldn't have been done. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #116

Except no one is talking about issues BainsBane Jan 2017 #121

How about HopeAgain Jan 2017 #122

We first need to tackle big money in politics... JHan Jan 2017 #136

That excludes Bernie BainsBane Jan 2017 #143

Sanders hosted DSCC retreats for financial sector donors when he ran for senate. lapucelle Jan 2017 #166

Some of us are. And Bernie isn't a presidential candidate now. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #123

And yet several of your fellow Sanders supporters want to claim that Sanders is the defacto ruler Gothmog Jan 2017 #134

I never SAID he or his supporters were destined or pre-destined and you know it. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #139

Then tell your fellow Sanders supporters that Sanders is not the defacto ruler of the party Gothmog Jan 2017 #141

I don't know who you're talking about BainsBane Jan 2017 #142

In my case BainsBane Jan 2017 #120

He had his moment in the spotlight. lapucelle Jan 2017 #165

Bernie could not even win the primary election. democratisphere Jan 2017 #127

I wasn't even addressing that. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #135

We lost fair and square. HassleCat Jan 2017 #130

Thanks for that. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Jan 2017 #138

Likewise, I supported Sen Sanders... Docreed2003 Jan 2017 #140

Exactly. You get my intent here. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #144

Thank you! Docreed2003 Jan 2017 #148

I was a delegate to the national convention Gothmog Jan 2017 #145

I didn't suggest that sanders did everything he could at the convention... Docreed2003 Jan 2017 #147

BTW, all Clinton delegates were told/instructed to ignore the sanders delegates bad behavior Gothmog Jan 2017 #152

See what you did.... ciaobaby Jan 2017 #151

Republicans love it when we do our Fiddler on the Roof "Horse! Mule!" routine DFW Jan 2017 #163