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In reply to the discussion: History doesn't repeat, but it often rhymes; lessons from 2004 re: the gun issue. [View all]benEzra
(12,148 posts)158. Umm, Florida *doesn't* allow carry in airport terminals, which is exactly the law you advocate.
This guy wasn't carrying concealed. He checked an unloaded low-capacity Walther PPS pistol and multiple 7- or 8-round magazines through on a flight from Alaska, then retrieved it from baggage claim, loaded it in a rest room, and went on a shooting spree in the no-CCW-zone of the airport. He shot and reloaded until he used up all the ammo and magazines he brought with him, then surrendered when people with guns finally showed up.
If you recall, I said this upthread:
you can already bring a gun up to the baggage check-in counter *without* a license (in a case) in order to fly with one, so allowing licensed carry when dropping off or picking up passengers doesn't really change the security situation in or around the airport.
That's *exactly* what this murderer did. No CCW here.
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History doesn't repeat, but it often rhymes; lessons from 2004 re: the gun issue. [View all]
benEzra
Nov 2016
OP
"Being OK with gun violence" and "supporting reactionary laws against the nonviolent"...
benEzra
Nov 2016
#4
If you fail to understand the nuances of the issue, you'll fail to understand how to avoid missteps.
benEzra
Nov 2016
#3
You didn't choose a mainstream example. You chose an open Zimmerman supporter.
stone space
Dec 2016
#18
I said they were *a* huge issue in a lot of swing states this year, as in 2000 and 2004.
benEzra
Dec 2016
#8
*After* the 2012 election. The results of that shift fell out in the 2014 midterms. How'd that go?
benEzra
Dec 2016
#12
That was understood as pandering to the zealots; he made no real moves against gun owners.
benEzra
Dec 2016
#22
"..they could pick up a few gun nut votes." You vastly underestimate the gun vote
Nancyswidower
Dec 2016
#36
Keep that mindset....we look forward to it....you'll be in the minority for decades.
Nancyswidower
Dec 2016
#46
Not Democrats....you grabbers....many Democrats like me support gun RIGHTS.
Nancyswidower
Dec 2016
#60
Of course I did....she wasn't going to grab guns no matter what she said.
Nancyswidower
Dec 2016
#66
Very good. If even a hard core gunner like you voted Dem, looks like the "concern" expressed
DanTex
Dec 2016
#69
"Tens of thousands" aren't killed by the guns you want to ban; less than 150 are.
benEzra
Dec 2016
#42
See, after all that hate, you come up with one proposal there could actually be common ground on.
benEzra
Dec 2016
#64
Running on gun was good for hitting Sanders on the left, bad for the general election.
jake335544
Dec 2016
#14
the "gun issue" is about stimulating NRAnls to donate after ridiculous guns-in-bars proposals
Kolesar
Dec 2016
#15
If carry prohibitions were limited to actual carry while at a bar/drinking, or carry while impaired,
benEzra
Dec 2016
#19
Republicans like to deflect the issue into a discussion on mental health funding
Kolesar
Dec 2016
#20
You are applying logic to emotion-based prohibitionism, so your questions will most likely...
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2016
#125
Umm, Florida *doesn't* allow carry in airport terminals, which is exactly the law you advocate.
benEzra
Jan 2017
#158
The 'right' of California to enact homophobic laws thanks to Proposition 8 was overridden.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2016
#127
Mos understand the support for Zman stalking, intimidating, and shooting a skinny unarmed Black kid.
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#27
No actually it didn't per the testimony in the trial....which I saw every minute of.
Nancyswidower
Dec 2016
#87
Followed maybe...scare..no..shoot yeah.....don't slam a "white hispanics" head into the
Nancyswidower
Dec 2016
#89
From Matin's friend's testimony, he was clearly scared. You were likely too busy making fun of her
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#90
She clearly said Martin was scared of the guy stalking him. You support gunners, even
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#92
"of the guy stalying him.."....shall I post the Cross where she's caught in THAT lie?
Nancyswidower
Dec 2016
#94
Why don't you. Fact is you believe gunners like Zman who shoot unarmed Black kids and get away
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#96
I call him Zidiot...I do NOT support him as we've discussed on DI....and you know that.
Nancyswidower
Dec 2016
#98
They are supporters of LAW....probably every one of them..like me, watched the trial.
Nancyswidower
Dec 2016
#86
Lol, one of my fav posters. Not sure if that one is an antigunner or is mocking rabid antigunners
jack_krass
Dec 2016
#59
Why do open carry gun nuts bully Latina students like Ana Lopez when guns are allowed on campus?
stone space
Dec 2016
#76
I think *that* is a perfect example of how the gun control movement has lost its way.
benEzra
Dec 2016
#81
Stop.....you policy is to eliminate guns.....just say it...Free yourself, be honest with us
Nancyswidower
Dec 2016
#93
Do you support this sort of gunbullying being deployed against Latina students trying to study?
stone space
Dec 2016
#95
This meme of yours has been debunked...but I want you to explain to us...
Nancyswidower
Dec 2016
#97
No...she isn't...".being gunbullied by an open carry activist like this?"
Nancyswidower
Dec 2016
#119
1400 people are responsible for 80% of the gun violence in Chicago, and the police KNOW
jmg257
Dec 2016
#38
Hunting is a very small reason to own guns these days...only 15-18% of the 80-90 million gun owners
jmg257
Dec 2016
#39
Guns can certainly be in a safe. Or on your person if so inclined. At night you can keep
jmg257
Dec 2016
#63
It lost at least 6 senate seats in 2014, and it was a big factor in several swing states this year,
benEzra
Dec 2016
#70
"Gun Culture" is certainly a thing. Grow up with them, depend on them even, they are no big deal.
jmg257
Dec 2016
#52
You realize "assault weapons" are common in Canada and legal across most of Europe, yes?
benEzra
Dec 2016
#67
Your thread has devolved into a defense of George Zimmerman and Brett Sanders.
stone space
Dec 2016
#100
Are you going to pretend that Zimmerman is not being defended here in this thread?
stone space
Dec 2016
#107
You are mocking us for being afraid after the bloodiest election in Iowa's history.
stone space
Dec 2016
#109
As more and more people bury their children with patched up holes in their chests...
wyldwolf
Dec 2016
#101
Keep telling yourself that as you continue to believe in that mythical "epidemic of gun violence."
pablo_marmol
Dec 2016
#106
Rifle homicide is *decreasing*, not increasing, from 442/yr in 2005 to 250/yr now.
benEzra
Dec 2016
#116
Until the same amount fear mass shooting as much as fearing losing their jobs
hollowdweller
Dec 2016
#152
Zealously advocating for more gun restrictions always hurts us in the general election.
aikoaiko
Dec 2016
#103
Bernie sabataged his own primary campaign with the PLCAA. And I say this as a Bernie supporter.
stone space
Dec 2016
#111
The problem is..you don't know what PLACCA is....Bernie gained votes up here for supporting it.
Nancyswidower
Dec 2016
#122
"Vote for me, and I promise to put you in prison unless you conform to my beliefs"
benEzra
Dec 2016
#117
See, smearing the quarter of Dems and third of independents who own guns like that...
benEzra
Dec 2016
#130
Gun owners who are irrational and paranoid should be checked by mental health professionals.
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#133
Ben, any discussion that puts you guys' gunz in a bad light is automatically shut down by gun
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#135
What does threatening people with felonies for having the wrong shape rifle stock
benEzra
Dec 2016
#137
What mindset? The one that doesn't accept what your crowd deems to be 'sinful' as being sinful?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2016
#140
An *imagined* mindset of the owners is more important than actual crime rates to you?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2016
#142
A belief in an unconditional right to own weapons specifically designed to kill a lot of people
loyalsister
Dec 2016
#143
Well then, take the matter up with your co-religionists and leave the rest of us alone
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2016
#144
Basic human decency demands that laws be based on their impact on the public at large
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2016
#146
Except those guns aren't on the civilian market, and aren't the subject of proposed bans.
benEzra
Dec 2016
#148
Clinton made magazine and "assault weapon" bans one of her top issues in the primary.
benEzra
Jan 2017
#160