Naomi Klein: Neoliberalism is to blame ...

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139. Faux News and Breitbart?

Please show me one place where I linked to Faux News or Breitbart. Just because you don't like my facts does not mean they are not true.

And please show me where I "absolved" any Republican of anything? What I did was say you cannot give Clinton a pass for the things HE CHOSE TO DO. If you cannot see that Clinton ran on these ideas and then advanced them by his own choice, you cannot make the party better in the future. Blaming things wholly outside our control (e.g., the behavior of Republicans) is pointless. We cannot control Republicans. We can control how we react to them. We can become Republican-lite or we can fight.

You have no facts to prove that welfare reform and the 1994 crime bill and NAFTA were caused by a "Republican Congress". You obviously never went to the links and watch Bill Clinton's campaign promise to "end welfare as we know it." You continue to misunderstand that NAFTA could never have been voted on had Bill Clinton NOT sent it to Congress -- Congress cannot vote on a trade agreement of its own volition -- and you realize that the 1994 crime bill was passed by a Democratic Congress + Democratic President. Bill Clinton used the veto LESS THAN HALF as many times as Reagan. That's not a defense of Reagan: that's an criticism of Clinton, not using the veto more.

THESE ARE FACTS. Facts that you clearly will not admit. DU is not about pretending things. It is about building the party. We cannot do that if we do not speak the truth and we do not demand better from our elected leaders.

Ha ha. You never engaged with the truth, so you never began with me. It's hilarious that you now say your are done. Please do be done. Please mean it. I have tried to end this conversation numerous times already. So please pretend it is your idea and really end it. Bye!