2016 Postmortem

golfguru

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127. Goblinmonger makes a valid point.

Fri Jan 6, 2017, 10:43 PM

Jan 2017

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Trump held 30 rallies in swing states, in 10 days prior to election day.
Hillary held how many? She acted over-confident based on polls.

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Bernie Sanders Says Trump Won Because Democrats Are Out Of Touch [View all] portlander23 Jan 2017 OP

I'm getting really tired of this meme. blue cat Jan 2017 #1

now you know. WhiteTara Jan 2017 #17

So am I DFW Jan 2017 #33

it is like we don't have the house or the Senate or the Presidency. It is like the reason we have a JCanete Jan 2017 #43

OLIGARCHY!! George II Jan 2017 #49

What?? DFW Jan 2017 #62

is it actually a joke though? Would Republicans be able to steal elections without the help of the JCanete Jan 2017 #66

Did he miss Hillary going to diners, schools, retirement centers, job sites? LisaM Jan 2017 #61

If Sanders was so brilliant why couldn't he win the primary? Cary Jan 2017 #123

Well the Dems ARE out of touch...hey, we lost everything ..states and fed government MaeScott Jan 2017 #158

Exactly. tecelote Jan 2017 #177

Trump won because racist Rust Belt voters... SidDithers Jan 2017 #2

this Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #7

Or because of the FBI, Putin, Assange WhiteTara Jan 2017 #18

It couldnt have had anything to do with Separation Jan 2017 #26

And they've admitted it in quite a few interviews mcar Jan 2017 #39

Exactly!!! The Trump win was based on Racism and Bigotry!!! I don't get why so many back off RKP5637 Jan 2017 #52

trump only won MI by 10K votes. There were more votes than that not even counted in Detroit putitinD Jan 2017 #53

DEM voters in the primary, not the racist repugs. Quite a difference. brush Jan 2017 #59

Hillary most likely WON MI, had they counted all the votes. Detroit is a democratic stronghold. putitinD Jan 2017 #69

Yup, 75,000 votes in Detroit and Flint weren't counted. And you know most were Hillary votes brush Jan 2017 #71

Yeah, I mean all those visits Clinton made to Wisconsin Goblinmonger Jan 2017 #54

It's easy to take potshots from the cheap seats after the fact SFnomad Jan 2017 #116

Goblinmonger makes a valid point. golfguru Jan 2017 #127

It doesn't matter if the point is valid or not SFnomad Jan 2017 #139

In hind sight, she ignored Wisconsin, golfguru Jan 2017 #169

Re: She should have focused ... SFnomad Jan 2017 #170

Why did the same "racist" rust belters voted for Obama twice? golfguru Jan 2017 #126

most of them didn't . JI7 Jan 2017 #147

Wait a minute, Obama won PA twice. golfguru Jan 2017 #168

it was more due to non voters and trump getting racists that thought JI7 Jan 2017 #171

It's good that Sanders will keep after Trump. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #3

He certainly didn't this morning when they counted electoral votes. George II Jan 2017 #51

Sanders did not object to the electoral college results Gothmog Jan 2017 #101

My point. That would have been a perfect opportunity to "keep after Trump". He didn't. George II Jan 2017 #106

We are in complete and total agreement as to that Gothmog Jan 2017 #111

No he won't. Tavarious Jackson Jan 2017 #109

Obama said pretty much the same thing. Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #4

Really? Do show us where.... nt MADem Jan 2017 #21

It wouldn't do any good. Google his statement about how he won Iowa he made Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #41

Extraordinary claims like those you make demand solid proof, not "go google." nt MADem Jan 2017 #79

I am pretty sure you looked it up but won't admit it. Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #129

I am pretty sure I didn't. But since you can't come up with a citation, I'll MADem Jan 2017 #131

Washington Post by Aaron Blake on 11/17. Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #136

You cut out the url and post it--it's easy. MADem Jan 2017 #149

Thanks for the tip. Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #150

You've got to give me a link in order for me to watch a video. MADem Jan 2017 #153

Back Cary Jan 2017 #125

Biden too: jonno99 Jan 2017 #60

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #143

Bernie, Bernie, Bernie Zoonart Jan 2017 #5

it is NOT "Bernie hate" whatsoever when I now call him out for aiding in the minimisation Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #6

Good post. Why is "broken record Bernie" ignoring all the real reasons that you stated? brush Jan 2017 #63

If Bernie is a Democrat, then he has just admitted that he is out of touch with the voters. TexasTowelie Jan 2017 #8

He is not a Democrat--he has said this. He is an independent who caucuses with the Democrats. MADem Jan 2017 #22

I'm aware of his independent status TexasTowelie Jan 2017 #35

I agree with your assessment. nt MADem Jan 2017 #154

Oh Geeze otohara Jan 2017 #137

You keep fighting that primary. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #9

Correct Me. Jan 2017 #65

Why did you lose the primary, oh most wise one? randome Jan 2017 #10

Maybe to give TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #14

Check with Debbie for your answer on this one. ciaobaby Jan 2017 #103

People here are in denial... Whiskeytide Jan 2017 #11

I think she lost because we are all tired of politicians from the 1990s. randome Jan 2017 #13

Unless it is HRC or EW. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #32

I'm 58, close enough, and I don't want anyone my age or older telling us what to do. randome Jan 2017 #47

As for your first paragraph. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #15

The popular vote ... Whiskeytide Jan 2017 #27

This crazycatlady Jan 2017 #16

Bank account? His voters averaged 70k and are "seething" about money only because they despise bettyellen Jan 2017 #23

I didn't necessarily say ... Whiskeytide Jan 2017 #28

Live in California, make 70k for a family of four, and see how far that gets you. SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #95

Racism and sexism were the biggest predictors of a Trump vote. I'll grant you it overlaps with bettyellen Jan 2017 #99

I absolutely, but respecfully, disagree with your assessment. SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #130

As long as this chasing WWC idea does not include "setting aside" the rights and justice bettyellen Jan 2017 #132

Here's the problem. YOU and other progressives keep focusing SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #134

No, I am complaining about the media's focus on the WWC - did you miss all the round tables bettyellen Jan 2017 #138

I gave you the last word, you didn't do much wth it. Want to expand your answer? SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #141

actually the working class minorities voted for Clinton in the primaries JI7 Jan 2017 #156

They didn't seem to vote for her in the general. What happened? SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #166

they did vote for her in the general. only reason it's ignored us because some think only white JI7 Jan 2017 #173

And therein lies the problem. Many non-white working class in this country have also SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #178

lol. Buden is very pro big banks and credit card companies JI7 Jan 2017 #180

Well, we just disagree on this one. Clearly, I'm not going to change your view. SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #184

most families in california make much less than that . JI7 Jan 2017 #148

My brother lives and works in California and makes about 60k a year. To be honest, he is SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #167

it's not too difficult but you have limited options for type of housing JI7 Jan 2017 #172

With the price of housing in meropolitan areas of California, that's easy to understand. SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #175

That really depends on where in California you live SFnomad Jan 2017 #174

He lives in the Fresno area and housing there is quite expensive compared to the rest of the SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #176

and he lost california JI7 Jan 2017 #181

Yes he did. Badly. But did you really think the "Donald" was ever going to win there? SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #185

Navin R. Johnson was a jerk! George II Jan 2017 #88

You are 100% Correct ciaobaby Jan 2017 #105

Good post, but denial is too powerful for many here realmirage Jan 2017 #135

Bernie has become a songbird with an incoherent message. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2017 #12

Bernie is correct, of course. earthside Jan 2017 #19

While I think Sanders is right, Democrats were right to champion transgender bathroom rights. JCanete Jan 2017 #50

That may be the most succinct statement ... Whiskeytide Jan 2017 #120

He's just wrong. Trump won because Putin helped him and we've got a shitload of racists in USA. MADem Jan 2017 #20

Bingo. I think sexism was actually THE factor in Hilary's defeat. stopbush Jan 2017 #24

Correct. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2017 #144

That UPSHOT was a BRIGHT SPOT for you--who needs hating racists cluttering up your MADem Jan 2017 #146

Still I wonder what made her so hateful. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2017 #159

Fear, maybe? MADem Jan 2017 #160

I just don't know. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2017 #161

I don't really know, either. MADem Jan 2017 #164

Apparently so. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2017 #165

Bad time for a book tour, Sanders. Put the country first for fucks sake. bettyellen Jan 2017 #25

He does put the country first. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #34

He talks the talk, fitting his square peg in every round hole out there... bettyellen Jan 2017 #36

How does he walk the walk? BainsBane Jan 2017 #85

Unless there's a book deal in the offing. lapucelle Jan 2017 #183

He needs the money. Trying to flog that book, but it's not working too well. MADem Jan 2017 #155

He's still out there taking on Trump, Wall St., and the deplorables. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #186

Sanders lost because he failed utterly to appeal to voters beyond a narrow base of white voters Gothmog Jan 2017 #29

And money BainsBane Jan 2017 #93

Sanders was running for media coverage and got it Gothmog Jan 2017 #94

More Sunday show appearances than any other candidate by far bettyellen Jan 2017 #162

Twice as many as the next person Gothmog Jan 2017 #163

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #30

Sure, but Republican leaders are even further out of touch. Orsino Jan 2017 #31

Bernie only gives credit to Bernie and denigrates other Dems who've worked hard for us. bettyellen Jan 2017 #37

Some, obviously, will never forgive him for primarying Clinton... Orsino Jan 2017 #38

No, The Systems Not Totally Rigged. But That Idea Sure Helped Donald Trump. Gothmog Jan 2017 #46

I did not think his run was any more of an ego trip than it was for Hillary- bettyellen Jan 2017 #56

I hope this guy is not seeking a comeback. nt oasis Jan 2017 #40

Take your whining and go piss up a rope, Bernie. Enough, already. (nt) Paladin Jan 2017 #42

The Russians and 65M Americans would disagree. GeorgeGist Jan 2017 #44

Sanders ran solely for media coverage and the latest comments continue this pattern Gothmog Jan 2017 #45

Again today? Do you read DU, particularly this? George II Jan 2017 #48

I think the fact that Hillary made millions on speeches to Wall Street really hurt her. jalan48 Jan 2017 #55

Trump did not win. Hillary did with almost 3 million more votes. onecaliberal Jan 2017 #57

Huh? Mike Nelson Jan 2017 #58

Trump is a billionaire who wants to do away with the minimum wage Nick Otean Jan 2017 #64

Sanders has had nothing nice to say about Trump. This is the problem with comments being taken JCanete Jan 2017 #70

He's had very little nice to say about Clinton or Democrats in general. George II Jan 2017 #74

You have a problem with Jehovah's Witnesses? George II Jan 2017 #75

hahaha! just pamphlet covers with carnivores being ridden by children...like what do they eat now?nt JCanete Jan 2017 #80

Double down. George II Jan 2017 #82

I don't like opportunists who use my party when they need something lapucelle Jan 2017 #67

I couldn't care less what Sanders says NastyRiffraff Jan 2017 #68

Democrats need to advance candidates well versed in making speeches oasis Jan 2017 #72

Are you referring to Obama ? Cause that is what was said when he was running ciaobaby Jan 2017 #107

"One of the reasons that Mr. Trump won is that we have millions of people.... George II Jan 2017 #73

Just saying more votes were cast does not mean a higher percentage of the voting public was involved JCanete Jan 2017 #78

Guess what? None those people born since 2012 voted. George II Jan 2017 #92

But the article does go on to say that there was a downtick of eligible voters who voted per capita. JCanete Jan 2017 #100

The complaints were that the DNC wasn't setting up registration tables at Sanders rallies.... George II Jan 2017 #104

Sanders seriously want to hold Trump to his nebulous campaign "promises"? Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #76

he's doing it to make Trump into a liar and hypocrite, and to continue to hammer that home for the JCanete Jan 2017 #81

Because Trump was already proven beyond all doubt to be a liar and hypocrite Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #89

Last I checked almost three million more Americans preferred the Dem candidate Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #77

That's helpful. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #84

Or maybe... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #90

PLEASE LISTEN TO THE ACTUAL INTERVIEW yodermon Jan 2017 #83

We've heard it all a million times BainsBane Jan 2017 #91

DC consultants. pansypoo53219 Jan 2017 #86

It's unfortunate that Sanders spends so much time attacking Democrats BainsBane Jan 2017 #87

Be prepared to lose again next time around. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #96

To listen to him BainsBane Jan 2017 #98

Ok, go down the same path again. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #108

I don't go down a path BainsBane Jan 2017 #113

This group seems incapable of coming together. ciaobaby Jan 2017 #102

Did you read the OP? BainsBane Jan 2017 #112

I sure did. ciaobaby Jan 2017 #114

There must be some mistake TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #115

Here's the thing BainsBane Jan 2017 #117

I am also a democratic. ciaobaby Jan 2017 #118

I find the Bernie bashing very sad womanofthehills Jan 2017 #152

Dear leader has never accomplished anything of note Dream Girl Jan 2017 #97

She lost. Get over it. (nt) PotatoChip Jan 2017 #142

Bernie who?? Lil Missy Jan 2017 #110

In other news... bonemachine Jan 2017 #119

Why is Sanders peddling RW talking points? baldguy Jan 2017 #121

Because he has no skin in the game La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #122

Plus he's too old Cary Jan 2017 #124

And it sells books. George II Jan 2017 #128

bernie seems to fight the Democrats treestar Jan 2017 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author jalan48 Jan 2017 #140

Horse shit, Bernie. Adrahil Jan 2017 #145

And Bernie Sanders lost the primaries ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #151

Delusional Bullshit. DetlefK Jan 2017 #157

I disagree Bettie Jan 2017 #179

What a useless fucking thread this is redstateblues Jan 2017 #182