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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: President Sanders? Bernie would have beaten Trump [View all]lapucelle
(19,530 posts)73. Two, and one red state went blue.
I don't think that the map necessarily shifted due to Clinton. The Democratic administration (rather than the Republican congress) took the hit for stagnation in the rust belt states.
I wouldn't have been surprised to have seen more people do the right thing and actually show up and vote for the ticket (rather than stay home or vote for third party spoilers) if Sanders had won the nomination, but that's not Hillary's fault. I spent a lot of time in PA where voter suppression was very real.
A Sanders win presupposes that the media and the Republicans would have treated him with the same kid gloves as his primary opponents had. According to Eichenwald, who had seen the oppo book on Sanders:
Awash in false conspiracy theories and petulant immaturity, liberals put Trump in the White House. Trump won slightly fewer votes than Romney did in 201260.5 million compared with 60.9 million. On the other hand, almost 5 million Obama voters either stayed home or cast their votes for someone else. More than twice as many millennialsa group heavily invested in the Sanders was cheated out of the nomination fantasyvoted third-party. The laughably unqualified Jill Stein of the Green Party got 1.3 million votes; those voters almost certainly opposed Trump; if just the Stein voters in Michigan had cast their ballot for Clinton, she probably would have won the state. And there is no telling how many disaffected Sanders voters cast their ballot for Trump.
The truth of the matter is that when Sanders did not win the nomination, both Stein and Trump played the situation for all it was worth, and Sanders stood largely on the sidelines. Third party spoilers and narcissistic no shows put Trump in the White House.
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Alekzander
Jan 2017
#17
Never have had that problem at DK yet & been there for a while. I have had threads locked here
Alekzander
Jan 2017
#38
It probably would have been, if you had written something of this nature BEFORE the
Cal33
Jan 2017
#90
With Trump in former KGB Putin's pocket, it is hard to demonize a democratic socialist
karynnj
Jan 2017
#121
Bernie would have easily beat Trump. Especially where it mattered, WI, MI, and PA.
putitinD
Jan 2017
#20
But he couldn't win the primary, so it's a moot point. If POC weren't excited about this election..
Tarheel_Dem
Jan 2017
#27
Yes she personally went and shut the doors at every precinct when she saw a Sanders supporter coming
mythology
Jan 2017
#57
Millions of us "prevented Bernie from winning the primary". "M-I-L-L-I-O-N-S"!
Tarheel_Dem
Jan 2017
#82
I would hope in the final choice POC would have eventually voted f- HEY! You just
dionysus
Jan 2017
#72
But but but Kurt Eichenwald saw an eleventy bliion page thick book of opo research...
Hassin Bin Sober
Jan 2017
#28
"The establishment" isn't the 17 million Americans who voted for Clinton in the primaries.
George II
Jan 2017
#48
Maybe. We'll never know. Meanwhile, this will be the predictable flame war. Nt
dionysus
Jan 2017
#71
Because the Trump voters in the Rust Belt were really crying out for Single Payer healthcare?
brooklynite
Jan 2017
#76
...and if Sanders had been the nominee, voters would have had a choice of two...
brooklynite
Jan 2017
#97
By winning them 60% to 37%? I don't think so. What's with that pic? Spit it out!
bettyellen
Jan 2017
#115
Look at your shiny new goalposts! I have a feeling you could play this game all day.
bettyellen
Jan 2017
#117
Another useless crystal ball OP. I am tired of this "Bernie would have won" nonsense
Persondem
Jan 2017
#77
Yes, we know Trump voters would have voted for him because Bernie's SO dreamy!
EffieBlack
Jan 2017
#99