2016 Postmortem

lapucelle

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29. Not all op-ed writers agree with Horsey.

Wed Jan 4, 2017, 07:17 PM

Jan 2017

Kurt Eichenwald of Newsweek has a very different take.

http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

I spent time on the ground in PA, and I don't think Sanders would have won there. I'm not sure he would have carried Nevada and/or Virginia either.

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President Sanders? Bernie would have beaten Trump [View all] FreakinDJ Jan 2017 OP

Maybe, maybe not! hrmjustin Jan 2017 #1

I think it's about time this is discussed here at the DU! True Dough Jan 2017 #2

For how many seconds? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #5

Oh, it must have been a couple of minutes True Dough Jan 2017 #9

The pendelum swings constantly. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #13

Right. It has been SO suppressed! Hekate Jan 2017 #6

I was figuring this thread would be locked by now FreakinDJ Jan 2017 #8

How does DU even expect to grow if it continually locks threads? Sure, there may be Alekzander Jan 2017 #17

Has this thread been locked? emulatorloo Jan 2017 #19

No, the poster said he was surprised it has not yet been locked Alekzander Jan 2017 #37

And yet it still isn't locked? emulatorloo Jan 2017 #40

ummm. kos mopinko Jan 2017 #34

Never have had that problem at DK yet & been there for a while. I have had threads locked here Alekzander Jan 2017 #38

Oh you poor thing. I can tell you feel oppressed and fearful of the DU dynamic. Hekate Jan 2017 #43

No, fortunately most are good, not like yourself. Alekzander Jan 2017 #69

Awwww Hekate Jan 2017 #70

Would that were the purpose of the OP... LanternWaste Jan 2017 #86

Why do you think that? emulatorloo Jan 2017 #24

It probably would have been, if you had written something of this nature BEFORE the Cal33 Jan 2017 #90

Why? George II Jan 2017 #45

Not overlooked. zentrum Jan 2017 #56

... Quayblue Jan 2017 #66

"Could" and "would" are not synonymous. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #3

This is an opinion. dogman Jan 2017 #14

Sanders was my ifrst choice, and my primary choice, guillaumeb Jan 2017 #16

Except it is an Op/Ed. dogman Jan 2017 #22

My opinion is that 2+24. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #87

If one opinion is correct, are all opinions correct? dogman Jan 2017 #100

Probably and if all who bad mouthed HRC Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #4

Yeah, ignorant white wing bigots would have rushed out to vote for Sanders. Hoyt Jan 2017 #7

Denigrating voters is not really a "Winning Tactic" FreakinDJ Jan 2017 #12

Ain't making nice with the white wing bigots that voted for Trump. Hoyt Jan 2017 #25

We certainly saw that in the primary BainsBane Jan 2017 #118

Sanders is Jewish and a socialist liquid diamond Jan 2017 #88

With Trump in former KGB Putin's pocket, it is hard to demonize a democratic socialist karynnj Jan 2017 #121

Since he couldn't win the Democratic Primary WhiteTara Jan 2017 #10

Russ Feingold's stunning victory proves the author's theory emulatorloo Jan 2017 #11

No less than Zephyr Teachout's victory. eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #15

The god damn primary is fucking over. longship Jan 2017 #18

Bernie would have easily beat Trump. Especially where it mattered, WI, MI, and PA. putitinD Jan 2017 #20

But he would have lost everywhere else frazzled Jan 2017 #92

he did win 22 states in the primary putitinD Jan 2017 #93

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/ Justice Jan 2017 #120

So very tired of these. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2017 #21

Locking. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #23

Yikes. sheshe2 Jan 2017 #26

But he couldn't win the primary, so it's a moot point. If POC weren't excited about this election.. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #27

DWS prevented Bernie from winning the primary..... INdemo Jan 2017 #54

Nope. Jeff Weaver prevented Bernie from winning the primary. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #55

Yes she personally went and shut the doors at every precinct when she saw a Sanders supporter coming mythology Jan 2017 #57

Pretty Much INdemo Jan 2017 #80

Millions of us "prevented Bernie from winning the primary". "M-I-L-L-I-O-N-S"! Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #82

Bernie and Democratic voters prevented Bernie from winning the primary. EffieBlack Jan 2017 #98

I would hope in the final choice POC would have eventually voted f- HEY! You just dionysus Jan 2017 #72

But but but Kurt Eichenwald saw an eleventy bliion page thick book of opo research... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #28

Not all op-ed writers agree with Horsey. lapucelle Jan 2017 #29

How many Blue states went Red with HRC on the ticket FreakinDJ Jan 2017 #61

Two, and one red state went blue. lapucelle Jan 2017 #73

Please stop. LisaM Jan 2017 #30

And Howard Dean would have won in 2004. Maven Jan 2017 #31

Had All States Been Primary vs Caucus otohara Jan 2017 #32

First he had to win the Primary, but he lost by a landslide. Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #33

Amen! nt SylviaD Jan 2017 #127

Gee, thanks for that "unifying" post. IFAWOULDACOULDASHOULDA is SO helpful! nt Atticus Jan 2017 #35

+1000 sheshe2 Jan 2017 #36

So is Trump winning FreakinDJ Jan 2017 #60

Nice straw man. "Good luck with that" nt Atticus Jan 2017 #62

Admit it Corporate Politics is dead FreakinDJ Jan 2017 #74

Wow! A CROWD of straw men! Atticus Jan 2017 #81

Some people only care about themselves FreakinDJ Jan 2017 #95

We don't know that, but we should nominate a progressive or socialist. HassleCat Jan 2017 #39

Obama proved that. George II Jan 2017 #46

I think those red state voters will really respond to a declared socialist! Hekate Jan 2017 #47

Yes, they will. HassleCat Jan 2017 #51

Bernie tried that and it failed. bettyellen Jan 2017 #103

But it showed us some possibilities. HassleCat Jan 2017 #105

He played the press game better than anyone except Trump bettyellen Jan 2017 #107

I'm a socialist--there is very little data to support your assertion. Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #63

He could have won the primary if he got all the superdelegates HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #41

Again with this? mcar Jan 2017 #42

I had a post locked for suggesting exactly what you stated Victor_c3 Jan 2017 #44

"The establishment" isn't the 17 million Americans who voted for Clinton in the primaries. George II Jan 2017 #48

The Dem Establishment needs to be retired FreakinDJ Jan 2017 #59

Bullshit - Bullshit - Bullshit otohara Jan 2017 #84

And just what is this OP supposed to accomplish? George II Jan 2017 #49

bullshit. it is clear dems wouldn't have gotten his back either certainot Jan 2017 #50

President Sanders? Bernie would have beaten Trump. LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #52

counterfactuals! 0rganism Jan 2017 #53

I think its possible, but I don't think we should post these OPs anymore. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #58

A very narrow reading of the polls Jakes Progress Jan 2017 #64

and????? heaven05 Jan 2017 #65

. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #67

What utter BS. synergie Jan 2017 #68

Maybe. We'll never know. Meanwhile, this will be the predictable flame war. Nt dionysus Jan 2017 #71

... LexVegas Jan 2017 #75

Because the Trump voters in the Rust Belt were really crying out for Single Payer healthcare? brooklynite Jan 2017 #76

Nope .. just some one not part of the Establishment politics as usual FreakinDJ Jan 2017 #94

...and if Sanders had been the nominee, voters would have had a choice of two... brooklynite Jan 2017 #97

And raise taxes? Was never a viable candidate. bettyellen Jan 2017 #104

Yet all the Polling proved he was the stronger candidate against Trump FreakinDJ Jan 2017 #111

"Failed to heel" to who, prey tell? Polls about an unvetted candidate bettyellen Jan 2017 #112

Actually the Dems lost a whole generation of voters FreakinDJ Jan 2017 #113

By winning them 60% to 37%? I don't think so. What's with that pic? Spit it out! bettyellen Jan 2017 #115

Those that refused to show up decided this election FreakinDJ Jan 2017 #116

Look at your shiny new goalposts! I have a feeling you could play this game all day. bettyellen Jan 2017 #117

Another useless crystal ball OP. I am tired of this "Bernie would have won" nonsense Persondem Jan 2017 #77

. ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #78

The guy who couldn't win in the primary rock Jan 2017 #79

He could have been a contender . . . ucrdem Jan 2017 #83

Indeed he would have... RedFury Jan 2017 #85

Bullshit. Eom. liquid diamond Jan 2017 #89

People can mock the what-ifs.... disillusioned73 Jan 2017 #91

Why are we rehashing this old shit again? Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #96

Yes, we know Trump voters would have voted for him because Bernie's SO dreamy! EffieBlack Jan 2017 #99

An so gracious and charming SharonClark Jan 2017 #106

Wow, that's some seriously sad projection. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #129

No, he wouldnt. J_William_Ryan Jan 2017 #101

I definitely think Bernie would have taken the con out to the woodshed. ZM90 Jan 2017 #102

So tired of this MFM008 Jan 2017 #108

"If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon." longship Jan 2017 #109

There's just no way to know that. Orsino Jan 2017 #110

Perhaps. But it doesn't really matter now, does it? MadamPresident Jan 2017 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueStateLib Jan 2017 #119

He probably would have performed better kenfrequed Jan 2017 #122

Agree. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #123

Too true kenfrequed Jan 2017 #124

I really don't think so. nemo137 Jan 2017 #125

Trump propaganda would have destroyed Bernie. SylviaD Jan 2017 #126

He will in 2020. Nt azmom Jan 2017 #128

Apparently not, since he lost the primary, early on. n/t Lil Missy Jan 2017 #130

Flagged for review. Finally. betsuni Jan 2017 #131

+1...nt SidDithers Jan 2017 #133

Yup. Kick and Rec eom Arazi Jan 2017 #132