2016 Postmortem

SickOfTheOnePct

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28. I'm in favor of paper ballots

Mon Jan 2, 2017, 09:53 AM

Jan 2017

machine counted. Or, if they are electronic machines, a receipt that can be maintained, like a ballot, in case of recount/audit.

I'm not in favor of hand counting unless there is an audit or recount, and in the case of recount, there should be a random sampling audit first, and if there are significant discrepancies, then a hand recount is in order.

Any cellular capability for transmitting results should only be turned on once the polls have closed, and only for long enough to transmit the results, then turned off again.

There should be no internet connectivity for any voting apparatus, either voting machines or tabulators.

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We have serious threats to election integrity that must be fixed before the next election. [View all] pnwmom Dec 2016 OP

Thanks triron Dec 2016 #1

I would like to see us go back to precinct voting with paper ballots... kentuck Dec 2016 #2

Let's go back to handwritten sales receipts, too... TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #4

If we're going to have machine voting, it should be done correctly kcr Dec 2016 #5

Yes. there should be a paper trail, but to condemn all machines for the sins of a few is silly... TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #8

The manufacturers of voting machines also make ATMs crazycatlady Jan 2017 #46

Still how do we know that the internally counted vote is triron Jan 2017 #47

If the machines are Internet enabled as has been reported here numerous times HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #49

No problem, if it would bring integrity to the voting process back uponit7771 Jan 2017 #14

My point is simply that it wouldn't. Andwhere did you get the idea that... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #16

Of course, I'm not a "they've already decided" or anything close type voter uponit7771 Jan 2017 #17

So give us better verification methods. Sunriser13 Jan 2017 #18

What do you want? At this point a scanner reads your little black dots and adds them up... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #20

Electronically vote with a coded paper receipt for the recount that is also texted to you HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #25

And for those who don't have cell phones? SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #27

Better verification cannot happen without electronic verification HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #29

OK SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #30

Don't need id to vote absentee HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #31

oh please, the presidency of the US is a little more important that cash register receipt; and ballo TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #37

Paper is too easy to hack HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #10

WTF??? is that you Pootie? PAPER BALLOTS, HAND COUNTED!! no machine to "run it through," OK? TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #12

Unless the count happens in front of the voter there is no assurance that their vote actually counts HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #21

3 person team counts votes; this is nothing new. there is no way that paper is *easier* to hack TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #34

It is infinitely easier to make a pencil mark on a piece of paper than it is to hack a computer HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #36

please explain how this will happen directly under the eyes of poll workers from TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #38

What happens when 1000 ballots are recorded, a recount is ordered by the Greens and there HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #50

you could say the exact same thing about machines, X1000. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #53

The problem is that Republicans think the election worked just fine. charlyvi Dec 2016 #3

exactly. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #7

They know somethings fucked up about this election and gish gallop all Benedict Donald's Putin uponit7771 Jan 2017 #15

Of course it did, since they won. Sunriser13 Jan 2017 #19

problems need to be fixed, but they won't be. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #6

Yes we have, and getting worse. elleng Dec 2016 #9

k and r Achilleaze Dec 2016 #11

THANK YOU !!! If they fucked us this time what's to stop the from fucking us again !?!?! uponit7771 Jan 2017 #13

Nothing MoonRiver Jan 2017 #23

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #24

And it'll just be worse since the Republicans now have total power in federal/state Governments. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #32

Yeap, they've already shown they'll break the law without Russian help uponit7771 Jan 2017 #33

Paper ok - machine only if system designed for security with adequate approriate audit and recount Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2017 #22

It should be, but likely little will happen, certainly not by the GOP who would sell RKP5637 Jan 2017 #26

I'm in favor of paper ballots SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #28

paper receipts are useless because they never see the light of day. votes must be hand-counted the f TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #35

Sorry, I completely disagree n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #40

so you don't think the local powers-that-be could prevent those paper receipts from being seen? seri TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #42

If there is a hand recount SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #43

I'm confused by your answer triron Jan 2017 #44

Not sure why SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #45

well, that's kind of the point. the local authorities determine whether there is a hand recount; ev TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #48

No, I don't think it's a problem SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #51

ok; you're fine with invisible votes and selective recounts; i'm not. glad we got that cleared up. TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #54

You are right. There is no integrity left in US election results. UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #39

yes only sure way. triron Jan 2017 #41

KnR Hekate Jan 2017 #52