2016 Postmortem

uponit7771

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83. lol...somehow "us" insulting makes a fuckin difference?! That's a RWTP and not even close to reality

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Why draw a distinction between the working class and the white working class? [View all] Garrett78 Jan 2017 OP

Because black voters vote solid Dem ticket regardless of any demographic subsets HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #1

So, it's good to take persons of color for granted? Garrett78 Jan 2017 #3

That's quite a leap from "drawing distinctions" to " taking for granted." Orsino Jan 2017 #5

HoneyBadger's reply clearly suggests that black voters can be taken for granted. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #7

It's suggested if you want it to be, I guess... Orsino Jan 2017 #86

Gore won 90%, Kerry won 88%, Obama won 96% in 2008, 93% in 2012 and Clinton won 88%. HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #6

Unjustly is right. And the Democratic Party risks alienation if... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #11

So, black voters should just be written off as "ungettable"- while white voters who vote Republican EffieBlack Jan 2017 #37

Thanks for asking this question. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2017 #2

Because they need to feel better than somebody and it's a tacit acknowledgment elehhhhna Jan 2017 #38

Bingo! Thanks for not tap dancing around the reality of the situation. brush Jan 2017 #68

Because the Trump voting "white working class" harbor a false belief MADem Jan 2017 #4

This! k&r eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #14

And we all know this. A white backlash has been building, as it has throughout US history,... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #20

I'm nor interested in "winning over" racists. They're welcome if they change their tunes. MADem Jan 2017 #32

I agree. And I think it's worth remembering that well-to-do POC often get mistreated in our society. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #35

Exactly! EffieBlack Jan 2017 #39

Capitalists must divide workers in order to better exploit them. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #8

All too true Martin Eden Jan 2017 #17

It's important, too, to recognize that a rising tide doesn't lift all boats. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #21

Economic and social justice has to be for everyone Martin Eden Jan 2017 #27

Regarding social justice and economic justice: Garrett78 Jan 2017 #30

"help everyone equally" Martin Eden Jan 2017 #33

I'm not just talking about the well-to-do. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #36

Reparations will never happen HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #45

Historical injustice continues to impact the present. So, no, those owed are not all dead. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #46

I honestly think it's a tactic to keep more whites voting republican hollowdweller Jan 2017 #9

I think this is an important point. See post #20. We need to change the narrative. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #22

+++++ LeftInTX Jan 2017 #40

The white working class vote is also EXTREMELY VERY regional progree Jan 2017 #10

I'm sure that the Republicans set out to claim those midwesterners. They succeeded. yardwork Jan 2017 #24

ALL workers matter! True_Blue Jan 2017 #12

And she undoubtedly received millions of votes from working class whites. So... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #15

WWC is alt-right rhetoric True_Blue Jan 2017 #16

But we must recognize that not everyone drawing the distinction is doing so maliciously. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #25

We're not allowed to ask that question... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #13

This. Very disturbing to see liberals fall for this bullshit. bettyellen Jan 2017 #19

Well said. n/t kcr Jan 2017 #23

Divide and Conquer....nt 2naSalit Jan 2017 #18

Because white lives matter more to a lot of people La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #26

I think it is the result of that demographic being one that we got clobbered in. I think we need to JCanete Jan 2017 #28

Democrats already speak to the working class and win among the working class. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #29

I think they care more than you think. They are inundated by bullshit about who is making their JCanete Jan 2017 #31

I didn't suggest they don't care, just that white identity is a major factor for that segment. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #34

Only the white working class is lectured about their 'white privilege' by liberals Dems to Win Jan 2017 #41

Only the white working class are treated as if their shit don't stink ... EffieBlack Jan 2017 #42

exactly. we don't make excuses for black hispanic gay etc that vote republican JI7 Jan 2017 #44

Amazing, isn't it? EffieBlack Jan 2017 #50

Generalizing is being done by those suggesting all working class whites voted for Trump. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #43

The female Wells Fargo exec that set up the system whereby Dems to Win Jan 2017 #49

A white person working for WalMart for $10/hour is privileged compared to a similarly situated POC EffieBlack Jan 2017 #51

Yep. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #55

The Walmart where I am at would not be Doreen Jan 2017 #70

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #81

So, let me get this straight... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #52

You have lots to get straight. Dems to Win Jan 2017 #57

And I stand by that statement. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #60

Sanders positions was refuted a year ago, all PoC being rich STILL wouldn't eliminate racist effects uponit7771 Jan 2017 #82

they still are privileged treestar Jan 2017 #56

Oooh, those voters don't understand us, we're so smart when we insult them Dems to Win Jan 2017 #69

lol...somehow "us" insulting makes a fuckin difference?! That's a RWTP and not even close to reality uponit7771 Jan 2017 #83

lol, that's like saying the justice system is not unfair to black people because OJ Simpson got free JI7 Jan 2017 #62

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #84

they still have white privilege treestar Jan 2017 #54

It's a broadly used term, and different people will have, or not have, any intent behind it. dionysus Jan 2017 #47

And what differentiates that segment of white working class people from... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #48

divide and conquer - nt Deb Jan 2017 #53

According to the census sheshe2 Jan 2017 #58

It clarifies a political reality, like making a distinction between Evangelicals... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #59

See post #48. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #61

Thanks. In reply, it might be based on the idea that... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #63

I think that argument is flawed at best and racist at worst. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #64

I certainly don't equate white and working class. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #65

I'm not saying you do. But that's what's so nasty about dog whistling and implicit bias. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #66

Agreed! Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #67

And now that I've read all of the Fusion article, I can certainly recommend it to others. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #71

That might be unfair to Sanders, though. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #73

I'm not satisfied with the party as a whole when it comes to this issue. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #77

Most Americans don't view reparations on the same footing as current problems. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #79

As I said, it's not an easy sell, but it needs to be done. The framing is key. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #80

This is "class" warfare True_Blue Jan 2017 #72

Never NEEDED a distinction before now... RealityChik Jan 2017 #74

And, as I've written, it's only a segment of the white working class that we're talking about. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #76

Thanx for your kind words... RealityChik Jan 2017 #85

It's because racism has no party lines NobodyHere Jan 2017 #75

That's certainly true, but see post #25. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #78