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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
77. I'm not satisfied with the party as a whole when it comes to this issue.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 12:54 AM
Jan 2017

But I think Clinton's answer at the Iowa Black and Brown Forum was a solid response. It's the sort of response I had in mind when I wrote what I did in post #46 regarding the viability of "reparations."

I'm also reminded of what Jackie Robinson wrote to Eisenhower:

I was sitting in the audience at the Summit Meeting of Negro Leaders yesterday when you said we must have patience. On hearing you say this, I felt like standing up and saying, "Oh no! Not again."

I respectfully remind you sir, that we have been the most patient of all people. When you said we must have self-respect, I wondered how we could have self-respect and remain patient considering the treatment accorded us through the years.

17 million Negroes cannot do as you suggest and wait for the hearts of men to change. We want to enjoy now the rights that we feel we are entitled to as Americans.


The problem is a lot of folks seem to think the playing field is now level. From an article by Tim Wise:

So it was no surprise to read yet another poll, indicating that whites largely don’t think racial discrimination remains a big problem, and that whites and blacks continue to view issues of race far differently. According to the recent Gallup Survey on Black-White Relations, seven of ten whites believe blacks are treated equally in their communities; eight in ten say blacks receive equal educational opportunities, and 83 percent say blacks receive equal housing opportunities. Only a third of whites believe blacks face racial bias from police in their areas. Despite the fact that half of all blacks say they have experienced discrimination in the past month, whites persist in believing that we know their realities better than they do, and that black complaints of racism are the rantings of racial hypochondriacs. Blacks, we believe, make mountains out of molehills, for Lord knows we would never make a molehill out of a mountain!

That white perceptions regarding the extent of racial bias are rooted in ignorance is made clear by a number of important facts. First, as will be shown below, there is the evidence indicating that equal opportunity is the stuff of fiction, not documentary; and secondly, the simple truth is, white perceptions of racism’s salience have always been splendidly naive. Indeed, as far back as 1963, before there was a Civil Rights Act to outlaw even the most blatant racial discrimination, sixty percent of whites said that blacks were treated equally in their communities. In 1962, only eight years after the Brown decision outlawed segregation in the nation’s schools (but well before schools had moved to integrate or equalize their classrooms), a stunning eighty-four percent of whites were convinced that blacks had equal educational opportunity. In other words, white denial of the racism problem is nothing new: it was entrenched even when this nation operated under a formal system of apartheid.


Democrats, including Clinton if she ever plans on campaigning for other Democrats in the future, need to do a better job of addressing institutional/structural racism and how it is used to divide and conquer. White Democrats (and young people) need to get that it's the thing itself that is divisive, not addressing the thing. That's not an easy task, but it's both possible and necessary. The evils of our past continue to haunt the present, and there are plenty of evils of the present, as well. The US has never properly addressed those evils. The disparities in wealth, health, criminal justice, access to housing and so on *must* finally get the attention and eradication they deserve.

I know this is already a long post, but let me add what the UN Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent concluded upon visiting the US this past year:

"In particular, the legacy of colonial history, enslavement, racial subordination and segregation, racial terrorism and racial inequality in the United States remains a serious challenge, as there has been no real commitment to reparations and to truth and reconciliation for people of African descent," the report stated. "Contemporary police killings and the trauma that they create are reminiscent of the past racial terror of lynching."

Citing the past year's spate of police officers killing unarmed African American men, the panel warned against "impunity for state violence," which has created, in its words, a "human rights crisis" that "must be addressed as a matter of urgency."

The panel drew its recommendations, which are nonbinding and unlikely to influence Washington, after a fact-finding mission in the United States in January. At the time, it hailed the strides taken to make the American criminal justice system more equitable but pointed to the corrosive legacy of the past.

"Despite substantial changes since the end of the enforcement of Jim Crow and the fight for civil rights, ideology ensuring the domination of one group over another, continues to negatively impact the civil, political, economic, social and cultural rights of African Americans today," it said in a statement. "The dangerous ideology of white supremacy inhibits social cohesion amongst the US population."
Because black voters vote solid Dem ticket regardless of any demographic subsets HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #1
So, it's good to take persons of color for granted? Garrett78 Jan 2017 #3
That's quite a leap from "drawing distinctions" to " taking for granted." Orsino Jan 2017 #5
HoneyBadger's reply clearly suggests that black voters can be taken for granted. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #7
It's suggested if you want it to be, I guess... Orsino Jan 2017 #86
Gore won 90%, Kerry won 88%, Obama won 96% in 2008, 93% in 2012 and Clinton won 88%. HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #6
Unjustly is right. And the Democratic Party risks alienation if... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #11
So, black voters should just be written off as "ungettable"- while white voters who vote Republican EffieBlack Jan 2017 #37
Thanks for asking this question. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2017 #2
Because they need to feel better than somebody and it's a tacit acknowledgment elehhhhna Jan 2017 #38
Bingo! Thanks for not tap dancing around the reality of the situation. brush Jan 2017 #68
Because the Trump voting "white working class" harbor a false belief MADem Jan 2017 #4
This! k&r eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #14
And we all know this. A white backlash has been building, as it has throughout US history,... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #20
I'm nor interested in "winning over" racists. They're welcome if they change their tunes. MADem Jan 2017 #32
I agree. And I think it's worth remembering that well-to-do POC often get mistreated in our society. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #35
Exactly! EffieBlack Jan 2017 #39
Capitalists must divide workers in order to better exploit them. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #8
All too true Martin Eden Jan 2017 #17
It's important, too, to recognize that a rising tide doesn't lift all boats. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #21
Economic and social justice has to be for everyone Martin Eden Jan 2017 #27
Regarding social justice and economic justice: Garrett78 Jan 2017 #30
"help everyone equally" Martin Eden Jan 2017 #33
I'm not just talking about the well-to-do. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #36
Reparations will never happen HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #45
Historical injustice continues to impact the present. So, no, those owed are not all dead. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #46
I honestly think it's a tactic to keep more whites voting republican hollowdweller Jan 2017 #9
I think this is an important point. See post #20. We need to change the narrative. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #22
+++++ LeftInTX Jan 2017 #40
The white working class vote is also EXTREMELY VERY regional progree Jan 2017 #10
I'm sure that the Republicans set out to claim those midwesterners. They succeeded. yardwork Jan 2017 #24
ALL workers matter! True_Blue Jan 2017 #12
And she undoubtedly received millions of votes from working class whites. So... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #15
WWC is alt-right rhetoric True_Blue Jan 2017 #16
But we must recognize that not everyone drawing the distinction is doing so maliciously. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #25
We're not allowed to ask that question... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #13
This. Very disturbing to see liberals fall for this bullshit. bettyellen Jan 2017 #19
Well said. n/t kcr Jan 2017 #23
Divide and Conquer....nt 2naSalit Jan 2017 #18
Because white lives matter more to a lot of people La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #26
I think it is the result of that demographic being one that we got clobbered in. I think we need to JCanete Jan 2017 #28
Democrats already speak to the working class and win among the working class. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #29
I think they care more than you think. They are inundated by bullshit about who is making their JCanete Jan 2017 #31
I didn't suggest they don't care, just that white identity is a major factor for that segment. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #34
Only the white working class is lectured about their 'white privilege' by liberals Dems to Win Jan 2017 #41
Only the white working class are treated as if their shit don't stink ... EffieBlack Jan 2017 #42
exactly. we don't make excuses for black hispanic gay etc that vote republican JI7 Jan 2017 #44
Amazing, isn't it? EffieBlack Jan 2017 #50
Generalizing is being done by those suggesting all working class whites voted for Trump. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #43
The female Wells Fargo exec that set up the system whereby Dems to Win Jan 2017 #49
A white person working for WalMart for $10/hour is privileged compared to a similarly situated POC EffieBlack Jan 2017 #51
Yep. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #55
The Walmart where I am at would not be Doreen Jan 2017 #70
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #81
So, let me get this straight... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #52
You have lots to get straight. Dems to Win Jan 2017 #57
And I stand by that statement. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #60
Sanders positions was refuted a year ago, all PoC being rich STILL wouldn't eliminate racist effects uponit7771 Jan 2017 #82
they still are privileged treestar Jan 2017 #56
Oooh, those voters don't understand us, we're so smart when we insult them Dems to Win Jan 2017 #69
lol...somehow "us" insulting makes a fuckin difference?! That's a RWTP and not even close to reality uponit7771 Jan 2017 #83
lol, that's like saying the justice system is not unfair to black people because OJ Simpson got free JI7 Jan 2017 #62
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #84
they still have white privilege treestar Jan 2017 #54
It's a broadly used term, and different people will have, or not have, any intent behind it. dionysus Jan 2017 #47
And what differentiates that segment of white working class people from... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #48
divide and conquer - nt Deb Jan 2017 #53
According to the census sheshe2 Jan 2017 #58
It clarifies a political reality, like making a distinction between Evangelicals... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #59
See post #48. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #61
Thanks. In reply, it might be based on the idea that... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #63
I think that argument is flawed at best and racist at worst. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #64
I certainly don't equate white and working class. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #65
I'm not saying you do. But that's what's so nasty about dog whistling and implicit bias. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #66
Agreed! Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #67
And now that I've read all of the Fusion article, I can certainly recommend it to others. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #71
That might be unfair to Sanders, though. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #73
I'm not satisfied with the party as a whole when it comes to this issue. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #77
Most Americans don't view reparations on the same footing as current problems. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #79
As I said, it's not an easy sell, but it needs to be done. The framing is key. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #80
This is "class" warfare True_Blue Jan 2017 #72
Never NEEDED a distinction before now... RealityChik Jan 2017 #74
And, as I've written, it's only a segment of the white working class that we're talking about. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #76
Thanx for your kind words... RealityChik Jan 2017 #85
It's because racism has no party lines NobodyHere Jan 2017 #75
That's certainly true, but see post #25. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #78
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