2016 Postmortem

mythology

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58. As one of those people saying we need to understand some Trump voters

Sun Jan 1, 2017, 11:41 PM

Jan 2017

I'm also open hearing why some Democrats (Jewish or otherwise) think Ellison shouldn't be DNC chair. From what I understand Ellison had a history with the Nation of Islam but has denounced their anti-Semitic tendencies. I don't think one's past affiliations make one incapable of changing. Elizabeth Warren used to be a Republican and Robert Byrd was in the KKK. Both changed as they lived. I don't know enough about the people running for DNC chair to know who I'd prefer for DNC chair.

The end goal is winning elections without losing our soul as a party. To do that we need to get more people to vote for our candidates, especially in down ticket races.

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My head is spinning [View all] BainsBane Dec 2016 OP

I did see a post here that linked to Alan Dershowitz guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1

and what of the Jewish Americans that Dershowitz says will leave the party BainsBane Dec 2016 #2

Does Dershowitz have proof of this migration? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #4

He is speaking about his own experience BainsBane Dec 2016 #5

I agree with your analysis. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #7

I haven't seen this during past losses BainsBane Dec 2016 #8

And I have not seen this level of GOP determination guillaumeb Dec 2016 #12

He's been taking aim at the Democratic Party for 40 years, but never on a national level. George II Jan 2017 #32

It doesn't matter. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #43

Alan Dershowitz is not the Official Voice Of Jews. It's just his opinion. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #21

Bernie isn't the official voice of the white working class either BainsBane Jan 2017 #24

I didn't SAY Bernie was the official voice of the white working class. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #25

Spot on correct! RBInMaine Jan 2017 #36

I don't think anyone said or even thinks he is the official voice of Jews.... George II Jan 2017 #33

Got rid of the "the"(wasn't totally about that myself). Ken Burch Jan 2017 #39

That's would I would call that... LanternWaste Jan 2017 #74

We need to win... Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #44

A lot of Bernie's supporters ARE Democrats. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #49

I would like to win over supporters but Bernie sends a message to them when he does not join Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #53

People would really leave the party over who's head of DNC? Crunchy Frog Jan 2017 #55

Understand why Trump voters voted for Trump Cary Jan 2017 #38

Spot on analysis! Happy New Year bains!! boston bean Dec 2016 #3

Happy New Year to you too, Boston! BainsBane Dec 2016 #6

Exactly nt fun n serious Dec 2016 #9

Mine too, after reading this OP... jack_krass Dec 2016 #10

Dershowitz's statement was not just about himself BainsBane Dec 2016 #11

Many Jews will follow Gothmog Dec 2016 #14

And sadly many Americans will too - Ellison would be a dividing force in the party AND.... George II Jan 2017 #34

Dershowitz specifically identified the problem with Jewish Democrats BainsBane Dec 2016 #17

Sanders actually did poorly with Jewish voters Gothmog Dec 2016 #13

Sanders hasn't made any Nation of Islam comments Ken Burch Jan 2017 #41

Sanders still did very poorly with Jewish voters in the primary Gothmog Jan 2017 #59

That's not the question. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #60

So you want Jewish Voters to be alienated from the party to help the Sanders wing? Gothmog Jan 2017 #62

You know perfectly well I don't want Jewish voters alienated. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #64

Just because you disagree with the facts does not mean that the facts are not true Gothmog Jan 2017 #65

You don't have "facts" here Ken Burch Jan 2017 #66

Anti-Defamation League Releases Statement on Disturbing and Disqualifying Remarks from Keith Ellis Gothmog Jan 2017 #67

There was nothing there about the Nation of Islam. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #95

Read the materials posted Gothmog Jan 2017 #98

I read the remarks, and Ellison's response(a fact) IN THE LINK: Ken Burch Jan 2017 #99

You may disagree with the ADL but that does not change the facts relied on by the ADL Gothmog Jan 2017 #100

I provided a fact in response. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #101

Your views on the Jewish community are not facts in the real world Gothmog Jan 2017 #102

Keith is not Bernie?! Had me fooled... notice, you never see 'em in the same room together?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #78

K&R.. thank you for pointing this out, Bane! Cha Dec 2016 #15

And yet so few responses BainsBane Dec 2016 #16

Shocking Cha Dec 2016 #18

I oppose the Ellison choice for DNC chair because I don't believe oasis Jan 2017 #19

So let's just keep catering to big corporate donors instead of being a populist party that can win? RBInMaine Jan 2017 #37

We have no choice until we repeal United. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #45

Even though catering to those donors meant we got NOTHING in November? Ken Burch Jan 2017 #54

We get nothing if we fail to win elections...and that costs money. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #73

Dems can't win a general election counting on $27 contributions. oasis Jan 2017 #75

Exactly. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #80

This election proved thaty big donors are useless to us. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #87

Having an "advantage" doesn't guarantee victory in any endeavor. oasis Jan 2017 #88

If it doesn't mean votes, having money ISN'T an advantage. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #92

By running off Jewish and major donors? Gothmog Jan 2017 #77

All of your posts on this are deeply inflammatory and demagogic. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #86

So the ADL is not to be trusted? Gothmog Jan 2017 #90

ADL can be trusted to have an opinion. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #91

There were many valid reasons why Sanders was rejected by Jewish Democrats Gothmog Jan 2017 #93

Corrected the typo. Sorry. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #94

Have you considered using facts in your posts? Gothmog Jan 2017 #96

"It's been proven that Bernie did all he could in the fall to help Hillary." George II Jan 2017 #103

Clinton also conceded just after the California primary Gothmog Jan 2017 #104

There really is no comparison between how the two candidates acted before and during.... George II Jan 2017 #105

Between the 2 major parties, the only one that even remotely promotes populism is the Dem. Party. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #50

Ding ding ding!! We hava winna!! You absolutely nailed it RB!! (Great minds think alike! haha!) InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #79

All there was was a thread where people said they didn't care if Alan Dershowitz left the party. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #20

Tell me what in my post constitutes railing against Bernie? BainsBane Jan 2017 #22

I mentioned Bernie because your main reason for opposing Keith Ellison(the name thing was a typo)... Ken Burch Jan 2017 #23

Ellison did make some controversial statements... Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #46

He's trying to blackmail the party. HassleCat Jan 2017 #26

What does Joe Lieberman think? BeyondGeography Jan 2017 #27

And if a sizable number of others follow him? BainsBane Jan 2017 #28

I just don't see it as a risk, and the Bernie angle is overblown IMO BeyondGeography Jan 2017 #29

Yes, he does have broad backing BainsBane Jan 2017 #30

Some valid observations there... Ken Burch Jan 2017 #40

No. BainsBane Jan 2017 #42

He did not join the Democratic Party and that is a deal breaker for me. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #47

Bernie's not going to run for the presidency again, so his party status, at this point, is moot. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #51

It matters to me...if you won't join the party then you have no say. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #52

I love Elizabeth Warren and will probably support her in 2020 but I disagree that the fake scandal StevieM Jan 2017 #57

No-Sanders is running as an independent for Senate in 2018 Gothmog Jan 2017 #70

its not really a contradiction aikoaiko Jan 2017 #31

What in Keith Ellison's resume' make him the most qualified to do the job of DNC chair? still_one Jan 2017 #35

K & R Bains. Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #48

Dead on. K&R EffieBlack Jan 2017 #56

As one of those people saying we need to understand some Trump voters mythology Jan 2017 #58

Well he would be far better than DWS. Rex Jan 2017 #61

Harry Reid blasts "worthless" DNC in blistering critique of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #72

You see the date on that? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #76

December 22. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #81

He waited till after the election, didnt he. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #82

So your point is that I shouldn't have criticized DWS in July for giving that stupid Times interview Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #83

sigh Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #84

And here's Harry Reid, confirming what we all knew- namely that she did a phenomenally shitty job. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #85

Recriminations abound, and everyone has a favorite framing. Orsino Jan 2017 #63

ADL has 'serious concerns' whether Ellison can lead DNC Gothmog Jan 2017 #68

I disagree with Greenblatt's views BainsBane Jan 2017 #69

Sanders was rejected by Jewish voters in the primary Gothmog Jan 2017 #97

As well as rejected in his native state of New York, resoundingly losing all five NYC boroughs.... George II Jan 2017 #106

Again, the Jewish vote played a large role in that defeat Gothmog Jan 2017 #107

Keith Ellison Would Be A Disaster As DNC Head, Haim Saban Says Gothmog Jan 2017 #71

Ellison needs to win over people as part of the job HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #89

That's not going to happen, but its a moot point anyway. George II Jan 2017 #108