2016 Postmortem

StevieM

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57. I love Elizabeth Warren and will probably support her in 2020 but I disagree that the fake scandal

Sun Jan 1, 2017, 10:55 PM

Jan 2017

about her Native American heritage would have been no big deal.

The Republicans would have lied relentlessly and convinced a lot of people they were telling the truth. They would have tied it into a need to get rid of affirmative action and highlighted how honest white people are constantly being screwed.

The Democratic campaign from 2016 was fine. We lost because of the fake email scandal. We don't know how Warren would have lived down her fake scandals. For that matter, we don't know how O'Malley or Sanders would have lived them down.

What we do know is that after four years of Trump the claim that HRC was corrupt will look a lot less credible. And that will make it a lot harder to tag Warren, or anyone else, with a fake scandal of their own.

Bernie may run again in 2020, as is his right.

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My head is spinning [View all] BainsBane Dec 2016 OP

I did see a post here that linked to Alan Dershowitz guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1

and what of the Jewish Americans that Dershowitz says will leave the party BainsBane Dec 2016 #2

Does Dershowitz have proof of this migration? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #4

He is speaking about his own experience BainsBane Dec 2016 #5

I agree with your analysis. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #7

I haven't seen this during past losses BainsBane Dec 2016 #8

And I have not seen this level of GOP determination guillaumeb Dec 2016 #12

He's been taking aim at the Democratic Party for 40 years, but never on a national level. George II Jan 2017 #32

It doesn't matter. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #43

Alan Dershowitz is not the Official Voice Of Jews. It's just his opinion. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #21

Bernie isn't the official voice of the white working class either BainsBane Jan 2017 #24

I didn't SAY Bernie was the official voice of the white working class. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #25

Spot on correct! RBInMaine Jan 2017 #36

I don't think anyone said or even thinks he is the official voice of Jews.... George II Jan 2017 #33

Got rid of the "the"(wasn't totally about that myself). Ken Burch Jan 2017 #39

That's would I would call that... LanternWaste Jan 2017 #74

We need to win... Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #44

A lot of Bernie's supporters ARE Democrats. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #49

I would like to win over supporters but Bernie sends a message to them when he does not join Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #53

People would really leave the party over who's head of DNC? Crunchy Frog Jan 2017 #55

Understand why Trump voters voted for Trump Cary Jan 2017 #38

Spot on analysis! Happy New Year bains!! boston bean Dec 2016 #3

Happy New Year to you too, Boston! BainsBane Dec 2016 #6

Exactly nt fun n serious Dec 2016 #9

Mine too, after reading this OP... jack_krass Dec 2016 #10

Dershowitz's statement was not just about himself BainsBane Dec 2016 #11

Many Jews will follow Gothmog Dec 2016 #14

And sadly many Americans will too - Ellison would be a dividing force in the party AND.... George II Jan 2017 #34

Dershowitz specifically identified the problem with Jewish Democrats BainsBane Dec 2016 #17

Sanders actually did poorly with Jewish voters Gothmog Dec 2016 #13

Sanders hasn't made any Nation of Islam comments Ken Burch Jan 2017 #41

Sanders still did very poorly with Jewish voters in the primary Gothmog Jan 2017 #59

That's not the question. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #60

So you want Jewish Voters to be alienated from the party to help the Sanders wing? Gothmog Jan 2017 #62

You know perfectly well I don't want Jewish voters alienated. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #64

Just because you disagree with the facts does not mean that the facts are not true Gothmog Jan 2017 #65

You don't have "facts" here Ken Burch Jan 2017 #66

Anti-Defamation League Releases Statement on Disturbing and Disqualifying Remarks from Keith Ellis Gothmog Jan 2017 #67

There was nothing there about the Nation of Islam. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #95

Read the materials posted Gothmog Jan 2017 #98

I read the remarks, and Ellison's response(a fact) IN THE LINK: Ken Burch Jan 2017 #99

You may disagree with the ADL but that does not change the facts relied on by the ADL Gothmog Jan 2017 #100

I provided a fact in response. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #101

Your views on the Jewish community are not facts in the real world Gothmog Jan 2017 #102

Keith is not Bernie?! Had me fooled... notice, you never see 'em in the same room together?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #78

K&R.. thank you for pointing this out, Bane! Cha Dec 2016 #15

And yet so few responses BainsBane Dec 2016 #16

Shocking Cha Dec 2016 #18

I oppose the Ellison choice for DNC chair because I don't believe oasis Jan 2017 #19

So let's just keep catering to big corporate donors instead of being a populist party that can win? RBInMaine Jan 2017 #37

We have no choice until we repeal United. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #45

Even though catering to those donors meant we got NOTHING in November? Ken Burch Jan 2017 #54

We get nothing if we fail to win elections...and that costs money. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #73

Dems can't win a general election counting on $27 contributions. oasis Jan 2017 #75

Exactly. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #80

This election proved thaty big donors are useless to us. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #87

Having an "advantage" doesn't guarantee victory in any endeavor. oasis Jan 2017 #88

If it doesn't mean votes, having money ISN'T an advantage. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #92

By running off Jewish and major donors? Gothmog Jan 2017 #77

All of your posts on this are deeply inflammatory and demagogic. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #86

So the ADL is not to be trusted? Gothmog Jan 2017 #90

ADL can be trusted to have an opinion. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #91

There were many valid reasons why Sanders was rejected by Jewish Democrats Gothmog Jan 2017 #93

Corrected the typo. Sorry. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #94

Have you considered using facts in your posts? Gothmog Jan 2017 #96

"It's been proven that Bernie did all he could in the fall to help Hillary." George II Jan 2017 #103

Clinton also conceded just after the California primary Gothmog Jan 2017 #104

There really is no comparison between how the two candidates acted before and during.... George II Jan 2017 #105

Between the 2 major parties, the only one that even remotely promotes populism is the Dem. Party. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #50

Ding ding ding!! We hava winna!! You absolutely nailed it RB!! (Great minds think alike! haha!) InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #79

All there was was a thread where people said they didn't care if Alan Dershowitz left the party. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #20

Tell me what in my post constitutes railing against Bernie? BainsBane Jan 2017 #22

I mentioned Bernie because your main reason for opposing Keith Ellison(the name thing was a typo)... Ken Burch Jan 2017 #23

Ellison did make some controversial statements... Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #46

He's trying to blackmail the party. HassleCat Jan 2017 #26

What does Joe Lieberman think? BeyondGeography Jan 2017 #27

And if a sizable number of others follow him? BainsBane Jan 2017 #28

I just don't see it as a risk, and the Bernie angle is overblown IMO BeyondGeography Jan 2017 #29

Yes, he does have broad backing BainsBane Jan 2017 #30

Some valid observations there... Ken Burch Jan 2017 #40

No. BainsBane Jan 2017 #42

He did not join the Democratic Party and that is a deal breaker for me. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #47

Bernie's not going to run for the presidency again, so his party status, at this point, is moot. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #51

It matters to me...if you won't join the party then you have no say. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #52

I love Elizabeth Warren and will probably support her in 2020 but I disagree that the fake scandal StevieM Jan 2017 #57

No-Sanders is running as an independent for Senate in 2018 Gothmog Jan 2017 #70

its not really a contradiction aikoaiko Jan 2017 #31

What in Keith Ellison's resume' make him the most qualified to do the job of DNC chair? still_one Jan 2017 #35

K & R Bains. Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #48

Dead on. K&R EffieBlack Jan 2017 #56

As one of those people saying we need to understand some Trump voters mythology Jan 2017 #58

Well he would be far better than DWS. Rex Jan 2017 #61

Harry Reid blasts "worthless" DNC in blistering critique of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #72

You see the date on that? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #76

December 22. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #81

He waited till after the election, didnt he. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #82

So your point is that I shouldn't have criticized DWS in July for giving that stupid Times interview Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #83

sigh Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #84

And here's Harry Reid, confirming what we all knew- namely that she did a phenomenally shitty job. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #85

Recriminations abound, and everyone has a favorite framing. Orsino Jan 2017 #63

ADL has 'serious concerns' whether Ellison can lead DNC Gothmog Jan 2017 #68

I disagree with Greenblatt's views BainsBane Jan 2017 #69

Sanders was rejected by Jewish voters in the primary Gothmog Jan 2017 #97

As well as rejected in his native state of New York, resoundingly losing all five NYC boroughs.... George II Jan 2017 #106

Again, the Jewish vote played a large role in that defeat Gothmog Jan 2017 #107

Keith Ellison Would Be A Disaster As DNC Head, Haim Saban Says Gothmog Jan 2017 #71

Ellison needs to win over people as part of the job HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #89

That's not going to happen, but its a moot point anyway. George II Jan 2017 #108