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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: I grew up in a very red, rural community in the midwest. [View all]Gothmog
(154,590 posts)133. Actually you are wrong-it was the Clinton campaign who handle Sanders with kid gloves
Sanders was not vetted and was in fact treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign VOX had a good article on the potential lines of attack that Sanders would be exposed to if Sanders was the nominee. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10903404/gop-campaign-against-sanders One of the more interesting observations in the VOX analysis is the fact that Sanders have been treated with kids gloves compared to what Sanders would face if he was the Democratic nominee. I strongly agree with the VOX's position that the so-called negative attacks against Sander have been mild. Form the article:
I have no interest in litigating any of these attacks here. Like any Democrat elected president in 2016, Sanders wouldn't be able to get much done, but he would block attempts to roll back Obama's accomplishments and have a chance to fill a few Supreme Court vacancies.
When Sanders supporters discuss these attacks, though, they do so in tones of barely contained outrage, as though it is simply disgusting what they have to put up with. Questioning the practical achievability of single-payer health care. Impugning the broad electoral appeal of socialism. Is nothing sacred?
But c'mon. This stuff is patty-cakes compared with the brutalization he would face at the hands of the right in a general election.
His supporters would need to recalibrate their umbrage-o-meters in a serious way.
When Sanders supporters discuss these attacks, though, they do so in tones of barely contained outrage, as though it is simply disgusting what they have to put up with. Questioning the practical achievability of single-payer health care. Impugning the broad electoral appeal of socialism. Is nothing sacred?
But c'mon. This stuff is patty-cakes compared with the brutalization he would face at the hands of the right in a general election.
His supporters would need to recalibrate their umbrage-o-meters in a serious way.
Sanders was treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign because of the amusing over-reactions of the Sanders supporters in the primary process. It appears that you are upset that Hillary Clinton did not use all of the oppo research that was available. Sanders was a weak candidate and would have been destroyed if the oppo research was used.
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And a corporate, conservative media that promotes the false equivalence argument,
guillaumeb
Dec 2016
#1
Similar background, but it's simpler than that - they are stupid. That's why they believe that junk.
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#2
Absolutely. Did Biden/Kerry/Edwards/Gore get crucified by the left over the Welfare Reform Bill?
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#90
But, but, but.... Bernie didn't mean it!!! Hillary was sleeping with Bill at the time!!! (nt)
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#124
Thanks - Gore was head of the Senate, and was smiling in the photo of it being signed.(nt)
ehrnst
Jan 2017
#145
This. Nearly half of America is conservative Christian, built on misogyny.
Crash2Parties
Dec 2016
#21
You've nailed it, and this election of trump proves it will always be so. trump voters fell back . .
brush
Dec 2016
#91
The racism was "necessary" to maintain high profits. So was the revolution.
Crash2Parties
Dec 2016
#130
Adam and Eve. Also, in terms of sex/gender the Catholic Church is damn conservative
Crash2Parties
Dec 2016
#131
You're probably right. All those "corrupt, crooked and corporate whore remarks" must ...
brush
Dec 2016
#126
Far too many people are completely incapable of critical thinking.
PoindexterOglethorpe
Dec 2016
#35
Meanwhile Hillary Clinton was born in the Midwest (Chicago), and served initially in the South....
George II
Dec 2016
#54
I suspect that people believed all of these lies because they were already biased against Clinton.
Willie Pep
Dec 2016
#58
This really, REALLY, deserves to be its own OP and receive wide exposure. The
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2016
#61
I've thought about your points a lot. I've decided that I need to speak up more often.
yardwork
Jan 2017
#143
Yep. I tried to convince people on some local online forums a few months ago...
Buckeye_Democrat
Dec 2016
#62
That, and RUSSIA, because it can't be overstated that less than 1% in most swing
LaydeeBug
Dec 2016
#64
I actually think that Comey did more than just tip a narrow race one way as opposed to the other.
StevieM
Jan 2017
#144
For crying out loud he treated her with kid gloves. I suppose he was supposed to coddle her?
dionysus
Dec 2016
#79
Actually you are wrong-it was the Clinton campaign who handle Sanders with kid gloves
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#133
I think that plenty of damning fiction could have been easily created about other Dem candidates
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#89
Not just rural red places-- low info voters were at least hearing these fake stories everywhere
andym
Dec 2016
#98
In the real world in past primary contests, the candidates were all actual members of the party
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#128
So once again...you do not believe that the system is rigged at all in favor of the wealthy?
LiberalLovinLug
Jan 2017
#162
The DNC had nothing to do with the fact that Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#161
Thanks! I did leave out the gun issue by accident. The NRA was busy this year.
yardwork
Jan 2017
#140
She abdicated for 2/3 of the year. She never showed up to campaign in Swing States.
libdem4life
Jan 2017
#155