2016 Postmortem

Arazi

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140. Bernie is in Congress, not the VT legislature and had no role to play w healthcare there

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 10:29 AM

Dec 2016

That's utterly dishonest to smear him with that.

Furthermore, you obviously don't understand economies of scale. VT was too small a state to get UHC successfully implemented. CA is the place to start preferably but nationwide is what it will really take. Bernie always understood that

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All the sudden sanders wants obamacare saved. [View all] boston bean Dec 2016 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Dec 2016 #1

I am not trashing him. boston bean Dec 2016 #2

What do you call it? Renew Deal Dec 2016 #3

Defending the democratic party. boston bean Dec 2016 #5

He's in the Democratic Party leadership. Renew Deal Dec 2016 #6

Get over what? boston bean Dec 2016 #8

So is Joe Manchin who want to work with the Dumpster leftofcool Dec 2016 #9

Bernie's support for single-payer was never an ATTACK on the Democratic Party. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #40

Exactly liberalmike27 Dec 2016 #47

I disagree. It was an attack on the Democratic Party. DanTex Dec 2016 #57

If I remember right, padfun Dec 2016 #65

No, it was Bernie. It was also Bernie who refused to concede for a month after he was eliminated. DanTex Dec 2016 #74

Actually, Bill trashed it to. He had a chance to pass it Exilednight Dec 2016 #77

I guess we were in a parrallel universe WhiteTara Dec 2016 #63

I know. This is just sad by this point... dionysus Dec 2016 #70

Oh no; not trashing him at all. Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #54

This stopbush Dec 2016 #4

A single payer system would be far superior to the system we have now. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #7

Maybe. It might be far worse. Look at Medicare Part D Recursion Dec 2016 #53

What??? OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #85

Exactly... why do you think... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #109

Yep. OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #110

Bernie would have no more luck getting single payor than Obama did. Lil Missy Dec 2016 #134

Sanders also stated that he is willing to work with Trump for a $10 an hour minimum wage. lapucelle Dec 2016 #10

I don't know why this is such a hard concept to grasp. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #12

It is what will pass. What can be passed. boston bean Dec 2016 #13

Well the plan was to have The Presidency and The Senate. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #17

Republican opposition and citizen opposition to single payer still boston bean Dec 2016 #23

You mean like gay marriage and legal recreational pot were just "pipe dreams"? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #58

Yep. And it sure doesn't help with Brock and the conservadems calling it freebies and pipe dreams. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #61

And like Medicare when it was first proposed. Jim Lane Dec 2016 #66

Federally Pot is Legal??? wow, didn't know that? boston bean Dec 2016 #69

Those would not have happened without the attention LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #97

Well, right now, single payer is not an option. Bernie realizes that. Hillary realized that but boston bean Dec 2016 #100

WHOOSH! LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #101

don't think so. boston bean Dec 2016 #102

I heard a whoosh of a point going over someone's head kcr Dec 2016 #103

this!!!! Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #131

Why not try fighting before you surrender? lapucelle Dec 2016 #15

There is no double standard... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #26

Making one out to be a corrupt politiciam for apeaking the truth v pie in the sky boston bean Dec 2016 #27

Wrong, wrong, wrong kcr Dec 2016 #29

I could not agree more. trc Dec 2016 #37

Wanting to do liberalmike27 Dec 2016 #49

Between someone who says: TCJ70 Dec 2016 #87

That's fine kcr Dec 2016 #90

Not at all... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #94

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #96

You are the best! JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #138

As they said years ago, "half a loaf is better than none"! George II Jan 2017 #144

No, you actually fucking try and if you are stopped you relentlessly, stridently, and clearly who TheKentuckian Dec 2016 #104

Read what I'm actually saying. It's not the trying I disagree with. It's the dishonest attacks. kcr Dec 2016 #105

Are you specifically talking about healthcare? PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #28

The discussion was his categorization of her. To be beholden to health insurance companies. boston bean Dec 2016 #30

I don't think people thought she was corrupted for wanting to fix Obamacare PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #34

So, Bernie didn't want to tear down such a corrupt system, like many are saying????.. but boston bean Dec 2016 #84

When did Bernie say her winning was rigged? PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #89

No. I was talking about Sanders willingness to accept a $10 an hour minimum wage. lapucelle Dec 2016 #32

And yet when Hillary proposed a $12 minimum wage, some people on this board went ballistic mcar Dec 2016 #20

Show me where anybody said 15 or nothing or single payer or nothing. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #39

"Kill the bill!" kcr Dec 2016 #98

You tell the truth, kcr.. Cha Dec 2016 #135

I damn sure remember it very well. You do too, you were a host of GD, so if you forgot bravenak Dec 2016 #114

So you are saying during the campaign people said 15 or no minimum wage at all? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #116

Fuck yeah bravenak Dec 2016 #118

Neither Bernie or anyone in his campaign or anyone here said 15 or "nothing" Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #124

It was fifteen or no change at all bravenak Dec 2016 #125

I wouldn't say ballistic liberalmike27 Dec 2016 #51

Well, 15 dollars sure as shit isn't, either kcr Dec 2016 #99

Neither is ten but he seems fine with ten now bravenak Dec 2016 #127

Exactly LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #62

Good question. Here's my amateur analysis. Jim Lane Dec 2016 #68

Oh my! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #11

Wow Bernie thanks again for all your help. Good thing you Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #14

Yeah......I agree with you. LisaM Dec 2016 #31

complete nonsense bowens43 Dec 2016 #55

terrible candidate bullshit she was the most qualified Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #56

I agree bravenak Dec 2016 #119

we could have been shaping the judiciary to suit our needs Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #143

I'm going to rec this thread for exposure. See if you can spot the logical fallacy... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #16

There is no logical fallacy, but I do discern a note of pomposity... lapucelle Dec 2016 #18

Don't be so hard on yourself I wouldn't call your reply pompous. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #19

The very cogent "I know you are, but what am I?" response from a master logician! lapucelle Dec 2016 #21

Thanks for the notice. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #22

His whole career!!!! NCTraveler Dec 2016 #25

He is a career politician acting like a career politician. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #24

Is he working for the banks like Barney Frank? Is he working for big health care like Howard Dean? aikoaiko Dec 2016 #52

Thenprojection is astounding... and sad... dionysus Dec 2016 #76

Word. SMDH nt riderinthestorm Dec 2016 #122

Who is surprised by this shift in positions? Gothmog Dec 2016 #33

You have so much ENERGY for criticizing Bernie! lostnfound Dec 2016 #35

Can't agree more!!! HenryWallace Dec 2016 #60

Great point. I think this is what they call selling out. R B Garr Dec 2016 #36

Look, Bernie never wanted the ACA simply repealed, for God's sakes. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #38

lol, this is just one small example of the divisive dishonesty that was allowed R B Garr Dec 2016 #41

It's obvious that Bernie didn't want to weaken Hillary in the fall, and that he and his supporters Ken Burch Dec 2016 #43

Before the Fall, Bernie's main goal was to defeat Clinton, and his tactics R B Garr Dec 2016 #48

You mean divisive and dishonest like when Chelsea claimed Bernie wants to take away your Medicare? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #64

omg, this kind of divisiveness is what Bernie enabled with his dishonest R B Garr Dec 2016 #71

Hillary's fight for health care was one of the main reasons I supported her since the 90s... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #88

Aw, this is more of the divisiveness that Bernie fostered. Defending herself against R B Garr Dec 2016 #91

You know perfectly well it was a lie to say Bernie wanted to just get rid of the ACA Ken Burch Dec 2016 #111

Bernie is the one who needs to apologize for making false claims not only R B Garr Dec 2016 #113

Bernie is in Congress, not the VT legislature and had no role to play w healthcare there Arazi Dec 2016 #140

He was asked about this in a debate, so it's more than legitimate to expect R B Garr Dec 2016 #142

Compare his tactics with Clinton 2008 Jim Lane Dec 2016 #67

2008, Clinton won the popular vote by most calculations. Bernie never ever had a shot R B Garr Dec 2016 #72

Your characterization of Bernie's campaign is simply false. Jim Lane Dec 2016 #75

Seriously? He couldn't even provide proof of Wall Street execs he would prosecute. R B Garr Dec 2016 #78

and he had no idea how he would break up big banks, it was in Dodd Frank he said.. another boston bean Dec 2016 #81

Oh, yeah! Forgot that one, I'll have to dredge them up now considering this R B Garr Dec 2016 #83

I started to reply to your foolishness but I realized my post would be removed. Jim Lane Dec 2016 #86

She ONLY won the popular vote because she actively campaigned in Florida and Michigan Ken Burch Dec 2016 #112

Fact: she was far closer than Bernie ever was. And she won California. R B Garr Dec 2016 #115

It couldn't have served any greater good for Bernie to withdraw earlier. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #117

This persistence on maligning her is a bit laughable considering in the real world R B Garr Dec 2016 #120

I'm NOT maligning her. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #121

You do keep maligning her, and saying you know what her natural instincts are is R B Garr Dec 2016 #123

He wanted to fight for medicare for all as President. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #42

+1 n/t CousinIT Dec 2016 #46

So True. Sanders has Become Clinton. Schumer co-opted by giving him a role in the Party. delisen Dec 2016 #44

Of course he does. Given the alternative right now that makes sense. CousinIT Dec 2016 #45

HRC accused him of wanting to zentrum Dec 2016 #50

That's because it is. Thank you for posting the truth. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #59

Umm, then what was the difference between his and her proposals? boston bean Dec 2016 #73

Let's not rewrite history. zentrum Dec 2016 #79

So you cannot answer. Got it. boston bean Dec 2016 #80

Excuse me? zentrum Dec 2016 #92

very very principled. forget about single payer, because republicans... but those same ones would boston bean Dec 2016 #93

So Bean, can we look forward to another Bernie "hit piece" tomorrow? Raster Dec 2016 #106

Exactly. zentrum Dec 2016 #130

It's only a losing zentrum Dec 2016 #108

He lost WAY before she lost. And would again in a New York minute. No contest. bravenak Dec 2016 #126

Let's not rewrite history. Because you're doing a fine job of it yourself, right here. kcr Dec 2016 #95

Sometimes Uponthegears Dec 2016 #82

SANDERS!!!!!!! Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #107

Did he vote for the ACA? andym Dec 2016 #128

He knows if Republicans repeal it we will have nothing. Liberty Belle Dec 2016 #129

I see the same people who went on and on about how bad incremental change betsuni Dec 2016 #132

This OP is just more of the same--so much waisted energy. Entering the stalker phase of relationship TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #133

You are implying something else here. Sienna86 Dec 2016 #136

"Don't blame Bernie for Hilary losing the election" TCJ70 Dec 2016 #139

It's just another chance to smear Bernie. SSDD Arazi Dec 2016 #141

Sanders wanted to get rid of the ACA & replace it with Medicare For All. baldguy Dec 2016 #137