2016 Postmortem

Fiendish Thingy

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45. Those are all things beyond the Democrats control

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:29 AM

Dec 2016

My post was in reply to your OP, which ignored the factors under the party's control, and instead focused on external factors beyond their control.

The most painfully (and I do mean painful, to acknowledge this truth) obvious factor under the Democrats' control was the strategically risky nomination of a candidate with the highest negative ratings of any Democratic nominee ever. A candidate who was known to be hated by a large enough segment of the electorate that, along with voter suppression, low millennial turnout, media complicity and other shenanigans, put the Electoral College within reach for Trump.

HRC was smeared for 30 years; as unfairly treated as she was, the reality is, it damaged her as a candidate, and reduced her chances of winning, making what should have been a landslide victory into the second ELectoral College/popular vote mismatch in 16 years.

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WE Are NOT the Problem [View all] NanceGreggs Dec 2016 OP

off to greatest with you, and, as always, spot on, nance. niyad Dec 2016 #1

Out of the park again, my dear Nance! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2016 #2

K&R. n/t FSogol Dec 2016 #3

K & R. Bigly! stopbush Dec 2016 #4

K & R & S madamesilverspurs Dec 2016 #5

BINGO!!!!!!.N/T asuhornets Dec 2016 #6

So, with all these factors that aren't the Democrats fault Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #7

True! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #15

The incumbent re-election rate was even higher than normal this year. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #27

We're all ears. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #21

The one thing I would say is more outreach to rural areas in purple states. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #30

Yes, precisely the reason Obama said he would have been reelected if allowed to run... and he would have using his tried and true strategies. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #32

Obama probably would have won even if his campaign was run just like Clinton's. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #33

Obama is a MASTER strategist... he woulda run rings around that Nazi bastard regardless. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #34

Obama/Trump debate? maddiemom Dec 2016 #65

I agree, not that Hillary did badly, but, let's be honest, she's no Obama, one of the greatest orators and genuine politicians in our lifetime. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #66

I am a former college debater and Hillary Clinton did great in the debates Gothmog Dec 2016 #105

One thing I wish they had done treestar Dec 2016 #71

The HRC campaign definitely should have done this. Even her own ads were mostly about Trump. nt MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #78

Nance-I volunteer a great deal of my time on voter protection efforts and I would like to know the Gothmog Dec 2016 #108

Those are all things beyond the Democrats control Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #45

Throughout the campaign ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #46

Trump's negatives were higher. If Trump won the candidate with highest negatives won. delisen Dec 2016 #52

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Dec 2016 #144

Sanders would have been a very weak general election candidate Gothmog Dec 2016 #110

If Hillary had been convinced not run Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #128

Two things that I have heard Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #56

You hear, but don't listen. Objectivity is something you should strive for. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #69

Well said LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #90

Yes mountain grammy Dec 2016 #131

You Nailed It. Berlin Vet Dec 2016 #106

Welcome to DU! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #114

Thank You Berlin Vet Dec 2016 #115

Clinton did this. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2016 #130

The claim that Democrats did not try to stop voter suppression is sad Gothmog Dec 2016 #117

Misogyny was a huge part of Hillary losing. stopbush Dec 2016 #102

As the father of two daughters, I am so sad about this Gothmog Dec 2016 #112

The Primaries are over uponit7771 Dec 2016 #63

Disagree what we have to do is start paying attention treestar Dec 2016 #70

+1000 Snarkoleptic Dec 2016 #8

+10,000!!!! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #17

I can't rec this enough. THANK YOU!!!! LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #9

+1000000000000 ailsagirl Dec 2016 #13

K&R! gademocrat7 Dec 2016 #10

Thank you. mac56 Dec 2016 #11

K&R baldguy Dec 2016 #12

+10,000 for the truth in your post, BG! eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2016 #80

This a thousand times mcar Dec 2016 #14

H.L. Mencken The Wizard Dec 2016 #16

Very well said. Thank you! spooky3 Dec 2016 #18

Nance, I'm being serious here-- volstork Dec 2016 #19

THANK YOU!!! pnwmom Dec 2016 #20

Kick baby, kick Hekate Dec 2016 #22

great post bdamomma Dec 2016 #23

I don't blame the Democrats one bit for losing this election elmac Dec 2016 #24

ITA 100%! True_Blue Dec 2016 #25

Thank you, Nance! Cha Dec 2016 #26

THANK YOU Nance Skittles Dec 2016 #28

P.S. Cha Dec 2016 #29

That statement is so true Cha. oasis Dec 2016 #88

Perfect! Thank you, Cha! spooky3 Dec 2016 #129

You're Welcome, spooky! Cha Dec 2016 #132

K & R ...... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #31

So you keep saying but there was a difficult primary for a reason aikoaiko Dec 2016 #35

The primary was essentially over by mid-March and arguably after Super Tuesday. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #37

Arguably what made it over in March was the hastily declared superdelegate votes... aikoaiko Dec 2016 #41

I don't think the superdelegates had much, if any, bearing on the results. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #43

I don't think so at all. The superdelegate count was touted constantly by her surrogates and minions aikoaiko Dec 2016 #44

Even if it was touted as much as you claim, and I don't think it was... Garrett78 Dec 2016 #47

It's not hard to look up... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #59

"Superdelegate touting" could fall under "media complicity" in Nance's OP. n/t intheflow Dec 2016 #48

And yet, we were beaten about the head and neck with the 'results' and the 'insurmountable lead' AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #82

The insurmountable lead had nothing to do with superdelegates. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #84

Historically incorrect. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #86

No, it isn't. You can dig up my posts and the posts of many others making that very point. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #89

K & R & s kaitcat47 Dec 2016 #36

K&R brer cat Dec 2016 #38

Well Said - We're Up Against a Party that Cheats to Win dlk Dec 2016 #39

Democrats have always been too reluctant to call out the Republicans for what they are--treasonous Akamai Dec 2016 #40

what about the senate races? recount now Dec 2016 #42

Why can't it be "both/and?" intheflow Dec 2016 #49

+1 coco22 Dec 2016 #51

It's a sure fire way to lose another close election... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #53

you don't carry out a post-mortem by standing in the morgue going "the patient is SO NOT dead!" Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #100

Word. OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #101

"Get busy fixing the goddamn boat and quit bitching about who put the fucking holes in it." The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #107

But why would you ignore who was putting the holes in it? That makes no sense. kcr Dec 2016 #125

KnR Hekate Dec 2016 #50

Quite right lunasun Dec 2016 #54

Good post! Here's a little factoid that blows my mind and disgusts me beyond words: PearliePoo2 Dec 2016 #55

The Projections Berlin Vet Dec 2016 #111

K&R!!! secondwind Dec 2016 #57

Sorry, no. zipplewrath Dec 2016 #58

K&R Gothmog Dec 2016 #60

Great essay... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #61

+1, " The problem is gerrymandering, voter suppression, a complicit media, unverifiable vote counts" uponit7771 Dec 2016 #62

YES! maddiemom Dec 2016 #64

Excellent points, as usual. And one other factor was the candidate who forgot.... George II Dec 2016 #67

Let's not forget the Rudy Giuliani's in this. FBI was feeding him info illegally. ffr Dec 2016 #68

K&R!!! horseshoecrab Dec 2016 #72

My sentiment exactly lunatica Dec 2016 #73

Trump won on the basis of a massive voter death wish, courtesy of Fox "News." Paladin Dec 2016 #74

k&r! DesertRat Dec 2016 #75

Thank you! lark Dec 2016 #76

"Doesn't move us forward an inch" - Ok, so what does? MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #77

TIM KAINE/DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ 2020! Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #103

There's a winning team! The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #113

Smells like victory to me! Especially since DWS can speak to "concerned soccer moms" Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #116

Thank you, Nance ladym55 Dec 2016 #79

Always been on the side of the working class? NAFTA. TPP. Repeal of Glass-Steagall. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #81

I love the car stealing analogy! pandr32 Dec 2016 #83

BAM! NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #85

It's not your right to vote that protects you from dictatorship: paulkienitz Dec 2016 #87

Fill the seat on the bus and bring your technology nolabels Dec 2016 #91

Here we go again, another "feel good" post that refuses to face reality mtnsnake Dec 2016 #92

I don't understand the motivation OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #95

Spot on! dionysus Dec 2016 #97

Thank you for your posts NeoConsSuck Dec 2016 #127

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh, Wrong, but thanks for playing! HenryWallace Dec 2016 #93

I think the ones who aren't crying in their beer right now kcr Dec 2016 #124

Re this JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #145

AGREE! WestCoastDem42 Dec 2016 #94

If our party isn't fighting the MSM, we are the problem. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #96

K & R Scurrilous Dec 2016 #98

Hmmm. Maybe "2016 Post-Mortem" isn't the best forum for you, then. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #99

Who are the people ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #118

Well I fall somewhere in between those two extremes, I guess. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #120

The thing is ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #135

I am sure we agree on some things, and disagree on others. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #137

It's always about Bernie. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #138

You seem a bit obsessed with that man. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #139

I'm not the one ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #140

Bringing who up? Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #141

Apologies. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #142

That's alright. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #143

Democrats and Hillary Clinton were not the problem Gothmog Dec 2016 #104

Flat out willfully delusional. See Congress. See State Legislatures. See Governor's Mansions TheKentuckian Dec 2016 #109

This. BlueWI Dec 2016 #122

Agree. mountain grammy Dec 2016 #134

100% correct - but good luck trying to get some on this board to admit it Midwestern Democrat Dec 2016 #136

K&R n/t lordsummerisle Dec 2016 #119

K&R Very clear and spot on. Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #121

Excellent post, and you are so right. nt raccoon Dec 2016 #123

The gerrymandering has been there since 2011. The Democrats had 5 years to so something about it. MarkCross7 Dec 2016 #126

Yes, yes, yes! Amaryllis Dec 2016 #133

we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Also, the same pols who betrayed key segments of base... yurbud Dec 2016 #146