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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: My dad. Immigrant, Minority, Veteran, Trump Voter [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)160. I held a government security clearance for four decades before I retired. ...
I handled classified information on a daily basis.
Therefore I do know this. If I would have been caught removing classified information from the work area or if it would have discovered on my unauthorized home computer I would have been prosecuted and likely fined and sentenced to a considerable amount of time behind bars.
That's the way the system works for most people who have a security clearance. It's not a right wing talking point. It is fact.
Sailor in classified sub photos case gets 1 year in prison
By JOSH GERSTEIN 08/19/16 06:32 PM EDT
A Navy sailor who admitted to taking photos in classified spaces on board a nuclear submarine was sentenced Friday to one year in prison and six months of home confinement.
The sentence imposed on Petty Officer First Class Kristian Saucier, 29, was significantly lighter than prosecutors' recommendation that the former sub machinist serve more than six years behind bars and the Navy's suggestion he get seven-and-a-half years.
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Saucier was indicted last year on one felony count of retaining national defense information without authorization and another count of obstruction of justice. Prosecutors said a series of photos he took with a cell phone camera on board the U.S.S. Alexandria in 2009 included at least six images considered classified "Confidential" and restricted under the Atomic Energy Act.
In a plea bargain in May, the sailor pled guilty to the classified information charge. The obstruction-of-justice charge was dismissed, but Saucier admitted destroying a laptop, memory card and camera after he was confronted by investigators.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/08/sailor-in-classified-sub-photos-prison-227211
Back when I was in the Air Force during the Vietnam Era we were prohibited from taking pictures of the aircraft we worked on sitting on the flight line. The pictures would have shown the antennas on the aircraft which would have revealed much about the mission she was designed for. We were told that if we were caught with these photos we would face jail time.
I have no desire to see Hillary prosecuted for negligently handling classified information and would actually like to see Obama pardon her on his way out the door of the White House so prevent any possibility of Trump harassing her.
However I can't honestly say based on my own personal experiences with handling classified information that this entire email scandal was simply an attempt by the Republicans to ruin Hillary's chances to win the election. I'm sure the Republicans hoped she would be charged but realistically that would have led to a constitutional crisis. I hate to say this but I seriously believe that if Hillary would have been just one of the "little people" she would have been indicted and convicted.
I'm now 70 years old and have enjoyed watching the game of politics for my entire adult life. I've discovered that in our system the rule of law does not apply equally to all. At a certain high level of government you can get away with a lot more than you can as an average citizen. This has happened in BOTH Republican and Democratic administrations. Our system is far from perfect. I also don't expect that it will ever change.
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So, if someone posts a message like this, the only appropriate response is to cuddle and coddle?
EffieBlack
Dec 2016
#106
I don't have to personally know them to know they have aligned with racists
EffieBlack
Dec 2016
#118
No - we want to reach out to more voters who those supposedly "aliented" voters don't
EffieBlack
Dec 2016
#46
Let's get it straight. Nearly 3 million more voted Dem. It's not about wanting to keep losing . . .
brush
Dec 2016
#127
I found these articles very helpful in understanding how people could vote for Trump
Dems to Win
Dec 2016
#42
All of Trump's voters HAD to be comfortable with racism and sexism since they voted for him
EffieBlack
Dec 2016
#74
I voted for Hillary though I wasn't comfortable as a feminist with Bill returning to the White House
Dems to Win
Dec 2016
#86
"Nobody cared about them" because equal attention to everyone was just too fair?
bettyellen
Dec 2016
#19
With all due respect, I have no interest in "connecting" with people like your father
EffieBlack
Dec 2016
#5
If opposing racism, Trump and his supporters is bigotry, I admit it -- I are a big ole BIGOT.
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#37
Rejecting racism is not elitism. Racism is bad. Trump is racist. A vote for Trump is a racist act
Squinch
Dec 2016
#89
Your story illustrates that pandering to profound ignorance really works, thank you for sharing
etherealtruth
Dec 2016
#7
Oh, I am well aware ... he simply was exceptioannly effective (aided by the media)
etherealtruth
Dec 2016
#13
Democrats asked them to vote for a nominee who helped destroy their old way of life
Dems to Win
Dec 2016
#55
I am afraid your father will have to wait a long time for manufacturing to still be viable here.
LisaL
Dec 2016
#10
That may be true, but it doesn't make a vote for Trump any less inexplicable.
TwilightZone
Dec 2016
#23
So, we need sound bites and slogans, not progressive, sustainable actual plans?
herding cats
Dec 2016
#21
Vote for a bigot: misunderstood/needs empathy. Criticize voting for a bigot: hateful
EffieBlack
Dec 2016
#33
"They just don't understand the concerns or thought process of people who disagree with them,"
pangaia
Dec 2016
#47
No one here has done that at all. And shame on you for engaging in such bullshit
EffieBlack
Dec 2016
#35
Do you believe that people who voted for trump were aware of his racism, sexism, and
still_one
Dec 2016
#84
How can someone connect with your dad when he believes Trump and doesn't investigate things?
Vinca
Dec 2016
#32
Trump's populist rhetoric spoke to him, but, facts disproving Trump's rhetoric did NOT?
blm
Dec 2016
#53
Members of a sexist & authoritarian organization voted for a sexist authoritarian
samir.g
Dec 2016
#65
It is utterly DISGUSTING the behavior of some of the people in this thread
NoGoodNamesLeft
Dec 2016
#105
No - Democrats lost those voters because they have refused to cater to other voters' worst
EffieBlack
Dec 2016
#107
My husband is an immigrant (central America), naturalized, Dem voter who went for Trump
Yo_Mama
Dec 2016
#151