2016 Postmortem

jfern

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109. I'd suggest focusing on the VRA and not Russia

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Tue Dec 27, 2016, 06:25 AM

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How many think votes were flipped to Trump in all the swing states? [View all] Chasstev365 Dec 2016 OP

No question in my mind, even if it wasn't the Russians... Sancho Dec 2016 #1

Yup... only explanation that makes sense. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #6

How many? Just enough to win. See Kentucky, Wisconsin, et al. MaeScott Dec 2016 #50

Ditto 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #77

Need an end to proprietary software for elections or at least let us look at it Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #2

Yes! No reason we should have to prove fraud; onus is on systems to prove transparency lostnfound Dec 2016 #11

Can you imagine if banks gave no statements and just said, "You think I stole? Prove it!" lostnfound Dec 2016 #12

A case in point: KS 2016 elections stevepal Dec 2016 #24

Consistent with Ron Baiman's results (28 states) triron Dec 2016 #83

Probably not the Russians, but flipping happened. The repugs cheat. brush Dec 2016 #3

Perhaps in collusion? triron Dec 2016 #84

Could very well be. brush Dec 2016 #85

Absolutely onecaliberal Dec 2016 #4

I believe it was the GOP themselves, a few furtive fuckers like Rove, who paid off pnwest Dec 2016 #5

Spot on pnwest jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #10

YES!!! The meeting with Turtle McFuckLips was ... ALSO... about protecting the tab machines in some uponit7771 Dec 2016 #7

Duh unblock Dec 2016 #8

Sorry. Not buying this conspiracy. EL34x4 Dec 2016 #9

Agreed. Some of the recent OPs are really getting there. 7962 Dec 2016 #14

Same. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #18

Yeah...like they did with 8 year old emails. There is much more proof of Russian meddling LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #49

+1 WilliamH1474 Dec 2016 #46

The Pubbies did this, the Russkies just added distraction to keep you looking the other way. MaeScott Dec 2016 #52

Just happened upon this thread True Dough Dec 2016 #55

I'm happy it's mostly LPC members who are claiming it didn't happen... tells a lot uponit7771 Dec 2016 #62

Oh, it's a lot more than "LPC" members True Dough Dec 2016 #71

Ummm, bullshit but nice try... attempt noted too... Obama didn't say those words could care uponit7771 Dec 2016 #72

From Newsweek... True Dough Dec 2016 #74

Red Herring, I said if Obama and intel commmunity says such I'll change my mind... what you've uponit7771 Dec 2016 #78

Well, I won't waste any more time on you True Dough Dec 2016 #80

lol... this sounds so similar to cut and run statements made about a year ago no? sigh uponit7771 Dec 2016 #81

WAPO story claims Obama asked for protection of the machines in states and had proof the Russians uponit7771 Dec 2016 #61

this is very telling. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #64

#1. It might not have been Russians. #2. It's PROVEN the machines are hackable KittyWampus Dec 2016 #68

Not quite. I mean it is extraordinary that he pulled out every treestar Dec 2016 #76

I don't know how widespread it is, or who did it, but I saw flipping in FL. Sancho Dec 2016 #99

When such enormous effort is expended to prevent our even looking... Orsino Dec 2016 #111

I think votes were flipped and added AnotherDreamWeaver Dec 2016 #13

Significant counties & their voting machines ... Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #15

Great homework report. nt AnotherDreamWeaver Dec 2016 #27

Yeap, ... Obama asked for protection of these machines too according WAPO story uponit7771 Dec 2016 #65

ME!!!!!!! C Moon Dec 2016 #16

Definitely Quanta Dec 2016 #17

Me. CanonRay Dec 2016 #19

No question, I knew it on Nov. 8 joanbarnes Dec 2016 #20

Clearly. byronius Dec 2016 #21

Something happened Curtis Dec 2016 #22

Oh yeah dflprincess Dec 2016 #23

They've all but bragged about it. ucrdem Dec 2016 #25

Votes Were Flipped Lonestarblue Dec 2016 #26

I really don't think the ruskies hacked the voting machines but elmac Dec 2016 #28

In Wisconsin, they didn't hand count Greybnk48 Dec 2016 #29

True it would be in the 60-70's, but that does not mean it could not be child's play for Russia To.. JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #30

The Sequoia AVC Edge ?? Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #44

Yes, that looks like it. Thanks. JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #51

Good info in all your posts about the actual machines, Aim. Mc Mike Dec 2016 #97

I don't believe he won fairly, nor all the republican wins. It was a republican coup d'etat! Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #31

Personally i still think Comey was the problem tiredtoo Dec 2016 #32

i dont think the russians did. i think obama would have blown the whistle, and mopinko Dec 2016 #33

Disagree triron Dec 2016 #42

if they had flipped it, and obama knew, mopinko Dec 2016 #67

Obama admin did blow the whistle to a bipartisan group, Turtle McFuckLips didn't want to protect the uponit7771 Dec 2016 #63

Yes. Astraea Dec 2016 #34

Hillary had a superior get out the vote ground game. dubyadiprecession Dec 2016 #35

I don't think it made too much of difference in Iowa, North Carolina, or Ohio inwiththenew Dec 2016 #36

Nothing says rigged like.... czarjak Dec 2016 #37

Here's my take on why Trump won the rust belt: Chipper Chat Dec 2016 #38

Maybe the Russians put those Trump/Pence signs in people's yards? EL34x4 Dec 2016 #48

No doubt in my mind nm reggaehead Dec 2016 #39

Absolutely! hurple Dec 2016 #40

Anywhere where it was possible they tried. And succeeded much of the time. triron Dec 2016 #41

Ron Baiman's analysis is a worthless piece of shit and should be treated as such mythology Dec 2016 #57

Ron Baiman's credentials triron Dec 2016 #86

snap! LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #87

No Doubt colsohlibgal Dec 2016 #43

I certainly have suspicions jimlup Dec 2016 #45

There's a few reasons why i don't think so. Theybwouldn't have been able to hide obtaining all the dionysus Dec 2016 #47

Nope. I trust pubbies to do ANYTHING to win. Hacking voting machines MaeScott Dec 2016 #53

Yes, but first they made sure more Trump yard signs were planted everywhere BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #54

And the conspiracy included a 2.9 million national popular vote win EL34x4 Dec 2016 #58

That's the spirit BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #59

Well... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #56

There is no doubt in my mind that the repukes stole votes in the swing states. libtodeath Dec 2016 #60

Impossible to tell, which is the actual problem. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #66

We know the election was rigged - major cheating happened. Joe941 Dec 2016 #69

Though I won't absolutely rule it out, I would require objective evidence to support LanternWaste Dec 2016 #70

SO: WE ALL AGREE! WHAT CAN WE DO TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH? Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #73

No, we DON'T ALL AGREE. progressoid Dec 2016 #75

I do。 No doubt about it。 UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #79

I'm sure there were some errors, but I doubt you could keep large vote tampering secret Hoyt Dec 2016 #82

It didn't have to be large...that's the POINT. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #88

If the GOPers had lost by a few votes they would have said the same thing, or that "illegals" voted. Hoyt Dec 2016 #89

so. fucking. what. ? They will say that shit about us anyway. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #92

But, we don't have to be just like them in this respect. We lost, nothing is going to change that Hoyt Dec 2016 #93

it's impossible to do from remote locations. Exilednight Dec 2016 #90

really? so you've seen the inside of these machines and know what hardware was installed? yeah, NO!! TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #100

Please look at this triron Dec 2016 #91

I would need to see some credible and vetted evidence first. Throd 2.0 Dec 2016 #94

kick for visibility triron Dec 2016 #95

is the pope catholic? nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #96

Yes. Votes were flipped. Mc Mike Dec 2016 #98

Votes were definitiely switched in the swing states Fielg Dec 2016 #101

if you look at history of electronic voting, the GOP doesn't need Russian help to do that yurbud Dec 2016 #102

No direct hacking but voter suppression did the same thing underpants Dec 2016 #103

How many think votes were flipped to Trump in all the swing states? LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #104

Raising hand MFM008 Dec 2016 #105

kick for visibility triron Dec 2016 #106

Another emphatically raised hand! nt ElementaryPenguin Dec 2016 #107

I believe many negative factors converged in "election" 2016 all to benefit AmericanActivist Dec 2016 #108

I'd suggest focusing on the VRA and not Russia jfern Dec 2016 #109

They foisted those machines on us for a reason. Orsino Dec 2016 #110