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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: It kills me to come to a gathering place for democrats [View all]La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)235. So fucking true
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She would've been awesome as president. No one's perfect, but she would've been awesome.
SharonAnn
Dec 2016
#29
Spot on. The repugs held their fire on Sanders but went all in after Clinton? Not rocket science
brush
Dec 2016
#188
Yes, that all was pretty obvious. There were a few candid statements from the GOP, but clearly
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#340
Some people trust Eichenwald's opinion about Bernie winning -- others do not.
aikoaiko
Dec 2016
#275
You hardly have to rely on Eichenwald's description of GOP oppo research. Other factors are
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#339
First, let me say that I am not sure Bernie would have won, but here is my counterargument.
aikoaiko
Dec 2016
#370
Exactly like I said, polling in general elections has trouble with last minute events like Comey.
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#380
I can see we are not going to convince each other, but the polls don't show sifts inthe last 10 days
aikoaiko
Dec 2016
#381
And that is because as I keep telling you, the polls have trouble showing that when there is a major
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#382
No-in the real world these match up polls were worthless because Sanders was not vetted
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#516
Maybe not. Trump had the biggest opposition research file ever -- even video -- it was not enough
aikoaiko
Dec 2016
#517
I am still sick over this whole thing. It was such an evil victory for the GOP.
StevieM
Dec 2016
#84
Don't worry 2020 or 2024 the repugs are gearing up kellyanne Conway to be the
yeoman6987
Dec 2016
#16
Now there's a scary thought!! Don't think there'll be anything left for Satan's Bride to destroy after the Fuhrer-Elect is done ransackin the country.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#252
And black people. And dems in general. For some reason the rethugs have a special
dionysus
Dec 2016
#27
YES !!! THERE'S NO GUESSING WITH COMEY !!! The polls numbers went down after Comey and its
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#8
Obama ran a progressive campaign, but, by and large, did not advance a progressive agenda.
lapucelle
Dec 2016
#32
I am dealing in reality. Many of her supporters blame Obama for her not winning in 2016.
Exilednight
Dec 2016
#66
Perhaps you would oblige by posting something one could read to support your assertion.
Tanuki
Dec 2016
#127
you asked for proof, and there it is. That is a 100% pure pro Hillary site.
Exilednight
Dec 2016
#199
PUMAs are still out there. To pretend otherwise is ignorance at best and intellectual dishonesty at
Exilednight
Dec 2016
#230
I never said there weren't still PUMAS out there, but we seem to agree it's marginal
lapucelle
Dec 2016
#233
Sanders was treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign which tied her hands
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#397
Where's your proof that Hillary treated Sanders with kid gloves against her will?
Exilednight
Dec 2016
#428
Do you approve of the booing of Congressman John Lewis by Sanders delegates at national convention?
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#437
Read the posts again-no one said that Hillary Clinton was forced to be nice to Sanders
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#448
It's weird how far you've dragged those goal posts to deny the basic truth here.
synergie
Dec 2016
#482
Since this is a claim you and only you have made, perhaps you should ask yourself
synergie
Dec 2016
#487
Sanders had no chance of being the nominee and ran a campaign designed to hurt Clinton
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#396
You are wrong-Sanders supporters would have gone nuts is Sanders was treated like a real candidate
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#424
The research was available for use but Hillary Clinton had to treat Sanders with kid gloves
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#429
Prove it exists and link up to it, and please provide proof that Hillary was gagged.
Exilednight
Dec 2016
#431
It's been proven numerous times, it's why so many of you were alerting and hiding people during
synergie
Dec 2016
#440
Actually, I just get tired of people who make accusations with only hear-say evidence.
Exilednight
Dec 2016
#468
It is so very amusing to see a layperson try to use terms that they do not understand
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#469
I note that you have yet to prove that Hillary was gagged against her will from attacking Sanders.
Exilednight
Dec 2016
#472
There are no facts that you presented. NO ONE TOLD HILLARY TO STAY SILENT!
Exilednight
Dec 2016
#475
Yeah, sure I believe that. I mean you just said, it's not like you provided proof
synergie
Dec 2016
#485
But he "nos" so much about politics, he cashed checks and was solely responsible for
synergie
Dec 2016
#486
It did not provide the republicans the tools to hit hard on corporate influence. Most Republicans
JCanete
Dec 2016
#346
I don't think it was unecessarily negative. It took going all the way to the convention for Clinton
JCanete
Dec 2016
#167
That's not a different inverse argument. Its the same argument. I'm saying had the DNC not
JCanete
Dec 2016
#215
You'll have to show me what being invited to the table looks like. Saying "drop out and trust us" is
JCanete
Dec 2016
#345
again, show me what that looked like. I don't remember the overture, and I certainly
JCanete
Dec 2016
#456
You don't remember because you were too busy lamenting...and berating...To wit:
LaydeeBug
Dec 2016
#457
07/10/16. you are talking about what we got after Sanders stayed in the race. Guess what!
JCanete
Dec 2016
#458
what? No we aren't. The conversation was about whether or not the DNC should have
JCanete
Dec 2016
#460
take the context of the whole conversation. I'm sorry that you got misled by me saying "during the
JCanete
Dec 2016
#462
You are fond of leading with "You are wrong," and then not addressing anything I said.
JCanete
Dec 2016
#369
I'm sorry but you couldn't be more wrong, and it is amusing to me, and pathetic, and sad,
JCanete
Dec 2016
#401
The fact that you think that you are correct is amusing but is not based on facts
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#405
Again, addressing nothing that I said. Not a single thing. Do you talk around things for a living?
JCanete
Dec 2016
#406
in my last post? Or throughout the thread? The last post has to do with the way my conversations go
JCanete
Dec 2016
#411
So you weren't happy to address anything I've said so far? Is that why you talked about entirely
JCanete
Dec 2016
#418
hehe, semantically, I think you can be more or less wrong though. Wrong on part of something
JCanete
Dec 2016
#417
ugh..that was worth another post? The FACT is, that you use "facts" that are irrelevant to the
JCanete
Dec 2016
#452
Again it appears that you only want to discuss your feelings and not the facts
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#453
but what the fuck are you talking about? How is that responding to anything I've said up to this
JCanete
Dec 2016
#455
I would like to take a moment to praise you for actually responding to things I said in my post.
JCanete
Dec 2016
#464
My entrance into the conversation wasn't with the OP, so I'm not sure why that matters.
JCanete
Dec 2016
#466
there should be a drinking game associated with every time you say facts, amuse and wrong.
JCanete
Dec 2016
#480
"The Establishment generally denotes a dominant group or elite that holds power
lapucelle
Dec 2016
#347
Well I just explained to you how he's not part of that inner circle of power. He is in the Senate.
JCanete
Dec 2016
#348
Because I don't need you to explain things to me, I didn't read beyond your title.
lapucelle
Dec 2016
#349
Boggles the mind why you're on a discussion board at all. Why not just write shit in a journal and
JCanete
Dec 2016
#350
no, I commented on the other poster for posting on a discussion board and then, because that poster
JCanete
Dec 2016
#497
Clinton lost because Sanders entered the race with no expectation of being nominee
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#499
In the past people running were actual members of the Democratic Party and cared about the Party
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#522
Clinton 2008 vs. Sanders 2016: A comparison of what happened when the campaign ends
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#541
He advanced a progressive agenda, but it was blocked at every turn by a republican congress.
George II
Dec 2016
#331
The FBI would have been an issue if she had used a state dept email account
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#76
thank you for this. the BS people have fallen for and how the media covered this
boston bean
Dec 2016
#101
There WASN'T classified material "emailed in the first place." All the targeted emails
pnwmom
Dec 2016
#171
Well, I see it right according to the facts which are not in dispute. It's not opinion.
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#246
Nope, they would have altered their manufactured argument, but the outrage would have been the same
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#283
Not sure if you mean the why the server existed OR why there was a classification issue
karynnj
Dec 2016
#341
Excellent post. It is amazing how successfully Republicans spread misinformation.
StevieM
Jan 2017
#540
Well said... Bernie's positive contributions to the Democratic platform cannot be overstated.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#43
Perhaps if the Democrats acted like Democrats once in a while, he wouldn't have felt the need.
Gore1FL
Dec 2016
#212
The idea that there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans is a RW lie.
baldguy
Dec 2016
#216
When did I say that? Perhaps before lobbing insults you should reread my post for understanding.
Gore1FL
Dec 2016
#251
When you say "...if the Democrats acted like Democrats...", who are they acting like then?
baldguy
Dec 2016
#257
It's nuts to say that electing the first woman President EVER didn't represent a sea change.
pnwmom
Dec 2016
#169
Sea change was achieved in 2008. Polls have shown that younger peopole do not believe
Exilednight
Dec 2016
#221
Polls can't prove that electing Hillary wouldn't have represented a sea change.
pnwmom
Dec 2016
#222
It wasn't to the left of Hillary's in 2016. You can't say a woman will be elected
pnwmom
Dec 2016
#236
It really is insane that HRC falling ill was treated like a scandal. The media and the GOP
StevieM
Dec 2016
#70
DU has always been like that, sadly. Whether or not you support hillary,bernie, dean,
dionysus
Dec 2016
#25
You want me to remember the time when bernie's campaign didn't illegally download his opponents
boston bean
Dec 2016
#103
The arrogant side that STILL acts like Bernie supporters are the enemy.
Spitfire of ATJ
Dec 2016
#153
"Bernie Sanders Withdraws Lawsuit Against DNC After Being Proven Correct About Data Breach"
think
Dec 2016
#155
I quoted the article. You quoted the DNC's Luis Miranda. Miranda does not claim anything was stolen
think
Dec 2016
#209
You've got it backwards. The correct thing to say is: "Our side didn't mobilize for Hillary."
NBachers
Dec 2016
#172
I can't believe there are STILL people that claim Bernie hacked Hillary....
Spitfire of ATJ
Dec 2016
#158
That's the DNC's response. And he makes no claim anything was stolen or used improperly
think
Dec 2016
#213
A highly subjective "article" full of inaccuracies and glossed over details.
George II
Dec 2016
#332
Bernie didn't have the class to concede to the first woman democratic nominee in our nations history
boston bean
Dec 2016
#78
Bernie conceded when it was clear there was no realistic path to victory... it may not have been soon enough for your liking, but then Hillary didn't quickly concede to Obama either.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#90
OMFG!! Why don't we just hang Bernie!! And let's mock and denigrate him AND his supporters EVERY chance we get, so we guaran-damn-tee ourselves the Dems NEVER win anotha election!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#371
If Sanders was the nominee he would have been destroyed in the general election
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#399
No way, no how... just the opposite! Bernie would've carved that Nazi racist pig up like a Hawaiian luau!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#402
Sanders was a very weak general election candidate who would have been destroyed in the general
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#403
What stuck in my craw was the Sanders campaign hacking into the DNC database.....
George II
Dec 2016
#189
Yes, I already responded to that legitimate complaint above and, agreed, that was bad form...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#225
WTH are you getting at? Bernie's a crotchety grandpa with a stoop, but I wouldn't ask if he ...
Hekate
Dec 2016
#142
Trump looks and acts old, so does Sanders. The youngest of the 3 is Hillary....
Hekate
Dec 2016
#146
More than personally saddened, I'm saddened for our country. All the millions of Americans....
George II
Dec 2016
#37
I have a feeling Bernie will get his shot to dethrone the Furher-Elect and fully expect Hillary's supporters to pledge their allegiance when the shoe is on the other foot.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#46
By that logic, you must be saying pemmican should not have run this time... okay, got it!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#141
So, using that logic, you could also argue we should elect only young, straight, white males to be our candidate, to avoid ageistic, homophobic, racist, mysogynistic bigots from voting against em...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#234
Whatever. The reality is that it's doubtful that a 78-year-old candidate would get elected.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Dec 2016
#237
Okay TVO, again, using the logic of your argument, let's prove the bigots wrong again and run a 78-year-old candidate and get him elected... I love it!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#238
Why would Bernie do that? That's silly! He's demonstrably shown his allegiance to the Democratic Party, while, at the same time, adeptly attracting independents...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#227
Well I would never "pledge my allegiance" to a candidate but if he is the nominee I will
StevieM
Jan 2017
#539
Bernie lost the primaries by nearly 3.5M votes. Can we please stop with this.
boston bean
Dec 2016
#49
Bernie had so much going for him and, yes, got shot down... fair or not, we had to accept it.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#50
Maybe, maybe not... but, couldn't be MORE disappointed than losing to the most despicable presidential candidate to EVER run for office.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#63
I distinctly remember hearing it, as it was bitterly disappointing to say the least...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#96
Here's the money quote from one of several of Bernie's concession speeches:
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#108
Hillary did much over the past 40 years to support the Dem organization structure, without which NO
duhneece
Dec 2016
#214
Had Sanders or O'Malley been the Democratic nominee we would have learned that they are
StevieM
Dec 2016
#80
With Sanders they wouldn't have had to do much. 50% of the country consistently
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#92
No crystal ball is needed. Hillary crushed Bernie in Florida, Virginia, Pennsylvania
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#253
Hillary is only criticized here by the BoBs who hate her more than PEOTUS because she beat their god
LonePirate
Dec 2016
#55
I wasn't a Bernie supporter in the primaries and I have plenty of criticism for Hillary.
YoungDemCA
Dec 2016
#226
No one dislikes Clinton, and there were many factors. But to do an honest and complete analysis ALL
RBInMaine
Dec 2016
#79
I agree that it is wrong to criticize Hillary for not being progressive enough etc. but...
jimlup
Dec 2016
#121
People on both sides are passionate about their candidates. You have been perfectly willing to fan
JCanete
Dec 2016
#166
They still don't realize what they've thrown away, Boston Bean, or the terror they've unleashed.
NBachers
Dec 2016
#173
Nothing about the Democratic Party is changing as a result of this election
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#303
Nope, it's not and it doesn't need to change. We got more votes. And what's more
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#311
Nope, we won the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 national elections. We're fine. nt
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#317
If you are going to go that far in mis-paraphrasing what I am saying, why bother coming to a
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#320
Look at where we stand down ballot - how bad does it have to get before we should be concerned? NT
Midwestern Democrat
Dec 2016
#323
So you are cherry-picking particular races and interpreting those races to get to your desired
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#335
For both parties, yes, everyone knows that. Except more Democrats stay home on midterms than
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#343
So, basically, she ran a B- campaign, at a time when we absolutely couldn't afford it.
Crunchy Frog
Dec 2016
#316
Hillary was underrated all her life. Let's not bear grudges but forge ahead with the women we have.
ancianita
Dec 2016
#271
+3,000,000 votes over Trump, despite voter suppression. Sure, a terrible no good very bad campaigner
Hekate
Dec 2016
#353
She won the actual VOTE, Larkspur, by THREE MILLION OVER TRUMP. What part of that ....
Hekate
Dec 2016
#433
HRC's problem has always been developing a winning strategy based upon the rules of the contest
Larkspur
Dec 2016
#508
Well OK then.Your argument has totally won me over. Personally I think it was probably the pantsuits
Hekate
Dec 2016
#519
If 2016 Dem Primary was as open as the 2008 one, HRC would not have won the Dem nomination
Larkspur
Dec 2016
#527
She ran a great campaign and had the whole thing won by a decisive margin with 11 days to go.
StevieM
Jan 2017
#537
Good luck with your voter outreach efforts! We certainly don't need more people voting for Dems!
YoungDemCA
Dec 2016
#359
Nope, more like, if everything happened to other Democratic Prez candidates that happened to her
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#337
How can you do a postmortem if you keep insisting the corpse isn't really dead?
The Velveteen Ocelot
Dec 2016
#477
Even saw the "Hillary vacations with war criminal Kissinger and Bill golfs with Trump"
betsuni
Dec 2016
#481