In all the "Bernie would have won/No he wouldn't" posts I've read...........

[Jakes Progress]

136. Let me hear your problems with Bernie

and I will let you hear my problems with Hillary.

Benghazi and emails are just the memes that used for their base. For the less informed part of the Democratic party, they had "liar" and "unreliable" and "wall street connected". Easy stuff to eat up if you don't know reality. And toward the end he revisited the email issue, and he famously questioned her being qualified to be president because he read a misleading headline attributed to Hillary. He just got more and more angry and personal as reality set in.

Now, I'm not happy with third way stuff, but I can work within that. We had to with Obama. We got better health insurance, better immigration, better bank regulation. Good health insurance, immigration, and regulation? Nope. But look what we're going to get now. Movements take work. Sure it would be cool if you could close your eyes, click you heels, and have a fuzzy headed wizard grant all you wishes, but life isn't like that. And politics sure isn't.

As I said, you tell me the "things you've known about Sanders for years" and I'll see if they are what the opo had. I don't see any benefit in "trashing" or rehashing crap about people when all it does is piss people off.

How did having experience with politics and elections "give me away". Give me away as a knowledgeable and knowing person? How is knowing how politics work a trope? You give yourself away with the desire to make your fantasy into reality. If you've been at this for 55 years, show me where in that 55 years that a funny haired socialist with a background of unemployment and anti-American actions and radical writings has won a major American election. Hillary didn't have the "same problems". Hers were a manufactured history written by right wing hacks who used their media connections to filter those lies into minds that needed them.

We don't have an anti-establishment country. Most of the country sees themselves as the establishment, and sees the "enemy" as the anti-establishment.

Yes, Hillary bears blame for losing too. That doesn't excuse Bernie. Had Hillary done some things differently, she would have won. Had Bernie behaved like the country mattered, she would have won. I feel sure Hillary is dealing with that. I suspect that Bernie - if he is the man he seemed to be at the beginning of the primary - is having to deal with that too. If he keeps fooling himself with the fantasy that he could have been president, then even more shame on him for losing the best part of himself.